tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post6195633990106039326..comments2024-03-27T21:24:06.590-04:00Comments on The Manson Family Blog: Who Drove to Gary's? Matthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06766282574442161929noreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-31906345747496459002022-04-19T14:31:15.679-04:002022-04-19T14:31:15.679-04:00Thanks, ToF. I'm definitely in that rabbit hol...Thanks, ToF. I'm definitely in that rabbit hole you sent me down yesterday. Do you know if anyone mentioned calling the ranch before Danny did? Also, do any of those boxes contain Hawthorne transcripts? G. Greene-Whytehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16687404262559321867noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-78849344128008762612022-04-19T11:24:20.073-04:002022-04-19T11:24:20.073-04:00G. Greene-Whyte,
cielodrive.com has a very good l...G. Greene-Whyte,<br /><br />cielodrive.com has a very good linked collection of sequential data related to the Hinman and Beausoleil investigation(s). Note that official transcribed DeCarlo interview was on 11/19/69.<br /><br /><br />https://www.cielodrive.com/updates/gary-hinman-files/<br /><br />TabOrFrescahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18258408555227867498noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-84065002161846711892022-04-19T10:22:43.052-04:002022-04-19T10:22:43.052-04:00G. Greene-Whyte asked:
“is this the first place we...G. Greene-Whyte asked:<br />“is this the first place we hear about Bobby calling back to the Ranch and saying Gary won't give up the money?”<br /><br />No. <br />For instance, DeCarlo testifies at Beausoleil’s first trial on 11/24/69 (DeCarlo spoke to LE about this on about 11/17/69)<br /><br />A: Well, he continued -- proceeded to beat him, to punch him around, tried to show him that he wasn't a joker in any way, and that he wanted the money and anything else that was in the house.<br />But, then, Gary said, "No, get out."<br /><br />So he called up a guy named Charley at the ranch.<br /><br />Q: That is back at the Spahn Ranch?<br />A: Right.<br />Q: So what happened?<br />A: So Charley and this guy went up to the house where Bobby was at. I didn't see them leave, though.<br />Q: You knew this guy Charley?<br />A: Yes.<br />Q: This is what Bobby is telling you still?<br />A: Right.<br />Q: Go ahead.<br />Q: So when Charley got there, Gary ran up to him and told him to take your kind and get out.<br />So Charley had a long sword, hit him with the sword, cut his ear off.<br />So he told Gary that, you know, "You had better conform, or you had better do what you are told," along those words.<br />So then he left.<br />Q: Who left now?<br />A: Charley did, and left Bobby back up there again.<br /><br /><br />So he stayed there, I guess, another six or seven hours with Gary, and then <br /><br />he called back Charley -- up, and said, "Gary isn't cooperating."<br />So Charley told him, "You know what to do."<br /><br /><br />So he stuck him with a knife.<br />Q: This is Bobby still saying this?<br />A: Right.<br /><br />http://www.cielodrive.com/bobby-beausoleil-trial-11-24-69.php#dc2<br /><br />TabOrFrescahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18258408555227867498noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-52279152981778526562022-04-18T22:03:33.126-04:002022-04-18T22:03:33.126-04:00Okay, I read everything in Box 40. Quick question,...Okay, I read everything in Box 40. Quick question, is this the first place we hear about Bobby calling back to the Ranch and saying Gary won't give up the money? G. Greene-Whytehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16687404262559321867noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-1369008963834452272022-04-18T21:25:19.347-04:002022-04-18T21:25:19.347-04:00My apologies :)My apologies :)G. Greene-Whytehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16687404262559321867noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-23647536251350595222022-04-18T20:27:34.896-04:002022-04-18T20:27:34.896-04:00GGW typed:
Tell me I'm not the only person wh...GGW typed:<br /><br /><b>Tell me I'm not the only person who thinks of General Gorodish whenever Gorodish comments here!</b><br /><br />I took my nick from the character Serge Gorodish from the 1981 French flick "Diva"; not the Israeli general.Gorodishhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16554015159612108936noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-90811806125899459212022-04-18T15:09:18.317-04:002022-04-18T15:09:18.317-04:00Bobby's recollections of the sword usage varie...Bobby's recollections of the sword usage varies. <br /><br />Quotes are in quotes. The other text is me summarizing. <br /><br />1978 – That’s ridiculous. There was no sword there. I took a knife. Charlie did not slice Gary. <br /><br />2003 – Charlie walked thru the door with a long knife and slashed Gary on the cheek <br /><br />2005 – Charlie wounded Gary with the sword <br /><br />2008 – Charlie came in and slashed Gary across the face for no reason<br /><br />2010 – “I went there to get money from him initially, and things went bad, and Charles Manson ended up showing up, slashed him across the face, and then he left and told me that if I was a man, I would take care of the problem of the threat that Mr. Hinman was perceived to be.”<br /><br />2016 – Charlie again. “That's what he was responsible for. He slashed Gary's face, he was under the belief, evidentially, my assumption is that it was, at that time, that he was under the belief that Gary had been able to get the gun that I had taken with me to the residence away from me.”<br /><br />2019 – Bobby’s lawyer, Campbell, says he advised Bobby to not talk about the offence except to show remorse or regret<br /><br />2022 – Bobby again refuses to talk about the crime itself. <br />G. Greene-Whytehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16687404262559321867noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-50729060428698355872022-04-18T14:35:09.953-04:002022-04-18T14:35:09.953-04:00"This comment has been removed by blog admini..."This comment has been removed by blog administrator Generalissimo G. Greene-Whyte."<br /><br />LOL! Tell me I'm not the only person who thinks of General Gorodish whenever Gorodish comments here! G. Greene-Whytehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16687404262559321867noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-62056025210492311962022-04-18T14:07:27.034-04:002022-04-18T14:07:27.034-04:00Hi, Ann :) Hi, Ann :) G. Greene-Whytehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16687404262559321867noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-271768099031365932022-04-18T14:06:52.387-04:002022-04-18T14:06:52.387-04:00Thanks, guys. ToF, David shared that 3073 doc with...Thanks, guys. ToF, David shared that 3073 doc with me this morning. I appreciate everyone's help. I'm hopping into Box 40 now. <br /><br />Bunt, so Johnny Swartz's car maybe? G. Greene-Whytehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16687404262559321867noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-68236177876727167852022-04-18T13:57:35.413-04:002022-04-18T13:57:35.413-04:00BruceBruceAustinAnn74https://www.blogger.com/profile/06342503212454947554noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-14310197921028909582022-04-18T12:25:56.337-04:002022-04-18T12:25:56.337-04:00Sadie Mae Glutz said:
"Old Bruce let Bobby, ...Sadie Mae Glutz said:<br /><br /><b>"Old Bruce let Bobby, Mary and me out of the car and drove away"</b><br /><br />Old Bruce is the name Susan gives Bruce Davis in her 1977 book. He doesn't even rate a mention in relation to the Hinman crime in her second book, the Myth of HS.<br />Not that it means anything, but in Bobby's 1978 hearing, where he outlays this new version of the story he's telling, he mentions Brunner and Atkins by name, he mentions Charlie by association {although he implies Charlie was never there}, but he doesn't mention Bruce. At all. In the whole hearing.<br />Funny, huh ?<br /><br />grimtravellerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00025774296829848608noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-58629089892696826462022-04-18T12:04:46.659-04:002022-04-18T12:04:46.659-04:00In Mary Brunner's statement, she says that she...In Mary Brunner's statement, she says that she thought it was Bruce Davis that drove them there, "in a Ford or a Chevy, Ford, either 650 or 658 Ford".<br /><br />Buntlinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16249209390934035035noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-69611141446127380552022-04-18T12:02:53.018-04:002022-04-18T12:02:53.018-04:00Greene-Whyte,
While Ella Jo does not “bear false w...Greene-Whyte,<br />While Ella Jo does not “bear false witness against her neighbor”, there was inference against Davis. <br /><br />—-<br />Manson - Hinman/Shea (8/12/71) : Volume 32<br /><br />Pages 5089 - 5091<br /><br />…<br />A: He had come back to the ranch. …<br /><br />https://www.cielodrive.com/people-v-manson/Vol32.pdf<br /><br />—-<br />Davis - Hinman/Shea (1/12/72): Volume 21<br /><br />Page 3073 - Did not see Davis leaving in car.<br /><br />Page 3075 - Davis carrying gun before car left.<br /><br />Page 3082 - Davis was near car 30-45 minutes later (after it returned)<br /><br /><br />https://www.cielodrive.com/people-v-davis/Vol21.pdf<br /><br />—-<br />Brunner was a very early source.<br /><br />Brunner interview 12/04/69 - Whiteley & Guenther<br /><br />Begins on page 389<br /><br />Q: How did you get to Gary’s house?<br /><br />A: I think it was Bruce drove us up there.<br /><br /><br />http://www.cielodrive.com/manson-case-files/BOX-40.pdf<br /><br />This comment has been removed by blog administrator Generalissimo G. Greene-Whyte<br /><br />Greene-Whyte, to begin to understand Brunner - read this interview … key on pillow.<br /><br /><br />TabOrFrescahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18258408555227867498noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-76353288772223918542022-04-18T12:02:34.855-04:002022-04-18T12:02:34.855-04:00Bruce Davis said:
2010 - I drove them. I did all ...Bruce Davis said:<br /><br /><b>2010 - I drove them. I did all that. I didn't care about Gary</b><br /><br /><b>2012 - I didn't take part in the planning, I was there present, so that's taking part. I was there. And when I was asked to drive, I did. So I drove my co-defendants to Gary's home</b><br /><br /><b>2014 - I drove the car</b><br /><br /><b>2015 - DAVIS: When I was getting ready to drive Bobby and Susan Atkins and Mary Brunner to Gary's house Bobby said..can I have your pistol and I said yeah<br /><br />DEPUTY COMMISSIONER O'HARA: <i>That's a leap of faith in this gentleman.</i><br /><br />DAVIS: Well, it was very misplaced faith to be truthful and I was not very analytical at the time and so I just gave it to him.<br /><br />DC O'HARA: <i>And how'd it come about you just had to drive them?</i><br /><br />INMATE DAVIS: That's all I was asked to do</b><br /> <br /><b>2017 - And so, uh, Bobby and Mary and Susan...I drove 'em to Gary's house. They asked me to leave 'em. They said we'll call you up</b><br /><br /><b>2019 - INMATE DAVIS: And I said I'll drive. So I drove, uh, Bobby Beausoleil and Mary Brunner and, uh, Susan Atkins.<br /><br />PRESIDING COMMISSIONER ANDERSON: <i>You drove 'em?</i><br /><br />INMATE DAVIS: Yes, sir. I drove him to the house. I let him out the house. I didn't stay there. I just let him out</b><br /><br />It would appear Bruce drove them to Gary's !<br />Perhaps Ella Jo was mistaken about seeing Bruce at the very time the car with 4 people had driven off. <br />It wouldn't make sense for Bruce to cop to driving them if he didn't.<br />Or would it ? grimtravellerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00025774296829848608noreply@blogger.com