tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post6385631117966099661..comments2024-03-28T23:53:16.262-04:00Comments on The Manson Family Blog: So-Called Journalist Elias Spreads Fake NewsMatthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06766282574442161929noreply@blogger.comBlogger86125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-37405735759609218792023-11-19T19:48:53.097-05:002023-11-19T19:48:53.097-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.The Surf Bathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13389909832071153899noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-36162406678412570212022-01-08T01:22:39.024-05:002022-01-08T01:22:39.024-05:00http://sanfernandovalleyblog.blogspot.com/2011/04/...http://sanfernandovalleyblog.blogspot.com/2011/04/back-to-future-series-1-clem-ruh.html<br /><br />http://peachbasketsociety.blogspot.com/2015/12/clem-ruh.htmlThe Surf Bathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13389909832071153899noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-88872374160070447002022-01-08T01:19:22.874-05:002022-01-08T01:19:22.874-05:00""But under Manson’s manipulation, clean...""But under Manson’s manipulation, clean-cut Grogan was reborn as a shaggy, drug-addled assassin.<br /><br />“I'm not Steven anymore. I’m Clem Roo,” he told Bucklee."<br /><br /><br />Clem Roo = More proof that the Manson Family were big Winnie the Pooh fans."<br /><br />Actually, he was referring to Clem Ruh Cheverolet, which began in the early 60s and was just a few miles from Spahn Ranch on Sherman Way near Topanga. I knew the Ruh family wellThe Surf Bathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13389909832071153899noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-87431978525278968442017-02-12T23:59:06.147-05:002017-02-12T23:59:06.147-05:00Ahhhh. So Piglet is Manson.
BTW, I'm surpri...<br />Ahhhh. So Piglet is Manson. <br /><br /><br />BTW, I'm surprised that's a real quote from Winnie the Pooh. (I Googled it). It's very Mansonish.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-65829990839525212962017-02-12T22:38:54.000-05:002017-02-12T22:38:54.000-05:00“How does one become butterfly?' Pooh asked pe...“How does one become butterfly?' Pooh asked pensively.<br />'You must want to fly so much that you are willing to give up being a caterpillar,' Piglet replied.<br />'You mean to die?' asked Pooh.<br />'Yes and no,' he answered. 'What looks like you will die, but what's really you will live on.” Fiddy 8https://www.blogger.com/profile/13633505037758578259noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-72877748945396332362017-02-12T21:38:05.225-05:002017-02-12T21:38:05.225-05:00"I live in the NOW, Christopher Robin!"
...<br />"I live in the NOW, Christopher Robin!"<br /><br />"It looks like we're gonna have to show Tigger how to do it"<br /><br />"Now is the time for Pooh Sticks"<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-27762333834743044312017-02-12T14:42:07.767-05:002017-02-12T14:42:07.767-05:00Ziger said:
Clem Roo = More proof that the Manson ...Ziger said:<br />Clem Roo = More proof that the Manson Family were big Winnie the Pooh fans.<br />----------------------<br />----------------------<br /><br />I think some of Manson thought and philosophy has been influenced by Winnie The Pooh. Here are some quotes from the literature of A.A. Milne:<br /><br />-----------------------------------------------------------------------------<br /><br />“I'm not lost for I know where I am. But however, where I am may be lost.” <br /><br />----------------------------------<br /><br />“Some people talk to animals. Not many listen though. That's the problem.” <br /><br />-----------------------------------<br /><br />“Rabbit's clever," said Pooh thoughtfully.<br />"Yes," said Piglet, "Rabbit's clever."<br />"And he has Brain."<br />"Yes," said Piglet, "Rabbit has Brain."<br />There was a long silence.<br />"I suppose," said Pooh, "that that's why he never understands anything.” <br /><br />-------------------------<br /><br />“You can't stay in your corner of the Forest waiting for others to come to you. You have to go to them sometimes.”<br /><br />----------------------<br /><br />“Think it over, think it under.”Fiddy 8https://www.blogger.com/profile/13633505037758578259noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-24983438787169619942017-02-12T12:45:57.218-05:002017-02-12T12:45:57.218-05:00I'll be writing a Windy debunking post in the ...I'll be writing a Windy debunking post in the future. I have it on good authority that the Daily Beast writer intends to write up more of Windy's stories so I will wait to see what transpires.<br /><br />WTF is wrong with people? They write crap about a crime that on its own is pretty damn remarkable without all the embellishments and exaggerations.DebShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17093893870315262396noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-34005430990543444612017-02-12T09:23:08.860-05:002017-02-12T09:23:08.860-05:00Matt said...
Speaking of BS journalism, it appear...<br />Matt said... <br />Speaking of BS journalism, it appears that the Windy Buckley fantasy bus continues its tour. <br /><br /><b>"But under Manson’s manipulation, clean-cut Grogan was reborn as a shaggy, drug-addled assassin.<br /><br />“I'm not Steven anymore. I’m Clem Roo,” he told Bucklee."</b> <br /><br /><br />Clem Roo = More proof that the Manson Family were big Winnie the Pooh fans.<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-35552204083554937642017-02-12T08:55:36.353-05:002017-02-12T08:55:36.353-05:00Deb,
From what I can tell, the story about Michi...<br />Deb, <br /><br />From what I can tell, the story about Michigan campuses written by Thomas D. Elias, was originally published on Sept 10, 1969 in the Ironwood Daily Globe, Lansing State Journal, and Battle Creek Enquirer. It was later published in The Escanaba Daily Press on Sept 16, 1969, and the Hillsdale Daily News on Sept, 24, 1969. <br /><br /><br />If you look online, the Hillsdale Daily News story says July 24, 1969. But that appears to be an OCR text error. When you click on the picture to view the article, you can see that the date says Sept 24, 1969 (Screenshots) :<br /><br /><a href="https://i.imgsafe.org/060bae6a95.jpg" rel="nofollow">Hillsdale Daily News Sept 24, 1969 (Link)</a><br /><br /><a href="https://i.imgsafe.org/0613dccccc.jpg" rel="nofollow">Hillsdale Daily News Sept 24, 1969 (zoom) (Link)</a><br /><br />This is the Ironwood one from Sept 10, 1969 :<br /><br /><a href="https://i.imgsafe.org/061c1c1812.jpg" rel="nofollow">Ironwood Daily Globe Sept 10, 1969 (Link)</a> (Date is only on the front page of the newspaper, from what I can tell)<br /><br /><br />You can see the full size picture of the newspaper story at newspaperarchive.com - not to be confused with newspapers.com - but it's a bit of a pain in the ass, because you have to delete the newspaperarchive.com cookie if you look at more than one picture.<br /> Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-62272971882367217792017-02-12T05:53:09.023-05:002017-02-12T05:53:09.023-05:00Speaking of BS journalism, it appears that the Wi...Speaking of BS journalism, it appears that the <b><a href="http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2017/02/12/she-almost-killed-charles-manson.html" rel="nofollow">Windy Buckley fantasy bus continues its tour</a></b>.Matthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06766282574442161929noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-32844613983262104032017-02-11T18:54:42.451-05:002017-02-11T18:54:42.451-05:00Elias wrote in his column on March 2, 2015 on Bobb...Elias wrote in his column on March 2, 2015 on Bobby B's upcoming parole hearing and said:<br /><br />"Beausoleil was a Manson henchman who fled Los Angeles after the 1969 murders of musician Gary Hinman and movie stuntman Donald “Shorty” Shea."<br /><br />and<br /><br />"The Hinman and Shea murders marked the beginning of the Manson Family’s campaign of killings."<br /><br />and<br /><br />"Eventually, Hinman was chopped up along with Shea, who Manson allegedly feared would turn him in to Los Angeles police. Parts of their bodies were found on the Spahn Ranch, the scene of many early Western movies."<br /><br />Elias did say a mescaline drug burn was the reason for the attempted extortion of Hinman.Mr. Humphrathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18206702171683458150noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-54941483123289363242017-02-11T17:26:40.993-05:002017-02-11T17:26:40.993-05:00Elias writes those articles in Michigan Deb and Zi...Elias writes those articles in Michigan Deb and Ziggy mention above and then he reappears in California writing with a guy named Arnold Friedman in 1972. Friedman has some articles dating back to 1964 when he won a student award in journalism i college and '65 when he writes a piece on basic training at Fort Polk. <br /><br />Nothing on TLB. <br /><br />In October '72 Elias and Friedman now teamed wrote a piece about suspected fraud in obtaining signatures for a farm labor proposition. It seems the DA Joseph P. Busch apparently handled the probe badly and his opponent in the upcoming DA election was very concerned. The opponent: Bugliosi.Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06551377673977145628noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-57663356426594792342017-02-11T16:56:31.740-05:002017-02-11T16:56:31.740-05:00That said, I looked at the newspapers from the tim...That said, I looked at the newspapers from the time of the murders, Elias said he was at the crime scenes, and he does not have a byline for any of the AP articles written at that time. I have found Donald Harrison, Vernon Scott, John Philip Sousa (!) as writers plus a lot of articles that were AP with no writer stated.<br /><br />I don't believe that Linda Deutsch covered the murders as they were unfolding.<br /><br />We are having a rare day of sunshine, I'm going back outside now!DebShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17093893870315262396noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-76922270813039277682017-02-11T16:33:17.687-05:002017-02-11T16:33:17.687-05:00That is a really good find Ziggy but not exactly c...That is a really good find Ziggy but not exactly conclusive. Narrow the search to just 1969 then in the "sort" dropdown select oldest first. He was writing regularly in January 1969 and then two articles in April 1969 with the Detroit (AP). There are just three articles written in September 1969 and those don't have Detroit (AP).<br /><br />The Ironwood Globe article looks like it could have been written sooner than when it was published. The Battle Creek and Escanaba newspaper articles are portions of the Ironwood article.<br /><br />It's possible that he was transferred to elsewhere after April 1969.<br /><br />You're correct about Linda Deutsch being the AP writer for the trial. She was new on the court beat back then and was sent to back up a "veteran AP reporter". By trial's end she was the AP's trial expert.<br /><br />http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/dec/18/veteran-ap-trial-reporter-linda-deutsch-to-retire/DebShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17093893870315262396noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-8835252208922926862017-02-11T16:18:56.126-05:002017-02-11T16:18:56.126-05:00I cant nominate myself Ziggy.
For I too am but an...I cant nominate myself Ziggy.<br /><br />For I too am but an opinion writer who exaggerates and manipulates information to serve my own purposes. I leave the serious work and research to others, and therefore to others the awards should go...<br /><br />However, I would love to do a planetary flyby<br /><br />Except I cant ... sigh.... I am deathly afraid of heights<br /><br />:)<br /><br />( Pulitzer Prize nominated ST. Circumstance- not a bad ring too it though I must admit) Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10291550902325920904noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-10922617548299013402017-02-11T15:52:08.375-05:002017-02-11T15:52:08.375-05:00What do you make of this, Deb? (Link)
I did a se...<br /><a href="https://www.newspapers.com/search/#lnd=1&query=thomas+d+elias&dr_year=1968-1971" rel="nofollow">What do you make of this, Deb? (Link)</a> <br /><br />I did a search on newspapers.com of Thomas D Elias from 1968-1971 and it appears that he was working for AP Detroit. He was mostly writing about Detroit and Michigan related issues. I'm not seeing him writing anything about Manson or Tate-LaBianca. He doesn't appear to have been working in California in 1969. And I think Linda Deutsch did most of the coverage of the murders and trial for AP. <br /><br />I think his pants might be on fire.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-1055089070715095512017-02-11T14:29:59.317-05:002017-02-11T14:29:59.317-05:00ziggyosterberg said...
There's mention of him...ziggyosterberg said...<br /><br />There's mention of him in "Reclaiming Parkland" writing about Bugliosi's run for DA in 1976. Apparently it was published in the Lodi News-Sentinel.<br />----------------<br /><br />This is in the 2016 edition of the book but not in the 2013 edition.<br /><br />https://books.google.com/books?id=DNaLDAAAQBAJ&q=Elias#v=snippet&q=Elias&f=false<br /><br />The Col treated everyone back in 2013 to the chapter which was left out of the 2013 edition due to the lawyers cutting it.<br /><br />http://tatelabianca.blogspot.com/search?q=Reclaiming+Parkland<br /><br />Sure enough on page 28 of the DropBox link Elias is mentioned.<br /><br />DebShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17093893870315262396noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-89622929538781294252017-02-11T14:20:42.215-05:002017-02-11T14:20:42.215-05:00Link didn't work. (Thanks Obama)
Pulitzer Pri...<br />Link didn't work. (Thanks Obama)<br /><br /><a href="http://www.pulitzer.org/prize-winners-by-category/212" rel="nofollow">Pulitzer Prize - finalists and winners in distinguished commentary</a><br /><br /><br /><br />(Reminder to Saint - $50 and an entry form)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-33038765637108564742017-02-11T14:06:49.320-05:002017-02-11T14:06:49.320-05:00The first successful planetary flyby was Dec. 14, ...The first successful planetary flyby was Dec. 14, 1962. Elias was born in 1944. He's been at for a long time, LMAO.<br /><br />https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planetary_flyby<br /><br />I fail to grasp the significance of why someone would have this in their resume. DebShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17093893870315262396noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-18328863536991986342017-02-11T14:06:36.504-05:002017-02-11T14:06:36.504-05:00There's mention of him in "Reclaiming Par...<br />There's mention of him in "Reclaiming Parkland" writing about Bugliosi's run for DA in 1976. Apparently it was published in the Lodi News-Sentinel.<br /><br />I have no idea why he's claiming that he <b>"set foot in the crime scene the next day"</b> (link that Dreath posted). Hard to believe that he was foolish enough to put that in print. <br /><br />"Death to Pigs" was leaked to the press, but they reported that it was on the refrigerator. The press didn't know about "Healter Skelter" or "Rise". <br /><br />One other thing : Note that he says in his bio that he was <b>"nominated three times for the Pulitzer Prize in distinguished commentary"</b>. <br /><br />Apparently that's a bit of a con, because anyone can nominate themselves for a Pulitzer Prize if they have $50 and an entry form (ATTN : St Circumstance). And only the finalists are supposed to say that they were nominated. <br /><br />If you go to <a rel="nofollow">the Pulitzer website</a> and look at the finalists and winners in distinguished commentary, you'll see that his name isn't there. So, yada yada.<br /> <br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-87760319435954028362017-02-11T12:32:08.197-05:002017-02-11T12:32:08.197-05:00Elias looks like a rocket scientist compared to th...Elias looks like a rocket scientist compared to the morons over at the 'TardBlog. Made my semi-annual visit to that link this morning - Jeebus, *words fail me*. But they're a commentary on exactly why sloppy, inept "writers" like Elias prosper in today's world. When someone serves as a "voice to the masses", they have an ethical responsibility to get the facts correct. In approx. 80% of stories, documentaries, etc. I find re: TLB, Manson, etc.; there are glaring factual errors that the slightest attempt at fact-checking would have caught. Careless journalism abounds and a dumbed-down public can't discern the difference. And it empowers idiots like Elias with the nerve to get testy when called out for the sloppy writing. Hubris and stupidity walking hand-in-hand.<br /><br />The collective intelligence & critical thinking over here, & informative (rational) posts by the likes of Dreath, Mr. Stimson, Deb, Col. Scott, Matt et al. are a bright ray of sunshine. Enough to give me hope that TLB truths will still come to light.<br /><br />P.S. Miss your posts, "Patty"! <br /><br />(And to clarify: Although I disagree 100% w/ the 'TardBlog's politics; that's not my issue. It's the stupidity. The utter stupidity.) Trilbyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12310843050495075993noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-75658731328884603142017-02-11T12:31:15.514-05:002017-02-11T12:31:15.514-05:00I didn't get that bio anywhere special I just ...I didn't get that bio anywhere special I just googled the guy lol<br /><br />They could have gotten there info from anyone icuding him himself ?<br /><br />What the hell or how the hell does one perform a " planetary flyby"<br /><br />??? Was he in a rocket ship or something ?multiple times lol Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10291550902325920904noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-87120356187575085102017-02-11T11:33:26.520-05:002017-02-11T11:33:26.520-05:00I was able to find a senior picture of him in Stan...I was able to find a senior picture of him in Stanford's 1966 yearbook. He was a history major. His LinkedIn page, where he provides the info, says he went to Stanford 1962-1968. I can place him in Santa Monica in 1970 but the year 1969 is illusive. The bio that Saint found says he worked for Scripps-Howard as a West Coast correspondent for 15 years prior to writing an OJ book. That book was published in 1996, the trial ended Oct. 1995. That would put him in the journalism biz in about 1980. If he worked for another publication prior, there's no hint of it.<br /><br />DebShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17093893870315262396noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-3214235827781506972017-02-11T11:12:58.368-05:002017-02-11T11:12:58.368-05:00I'm still stuck on " multiple planetary f...I'm still stuck on " multiple planetary flyby's"<br /><br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10291550902325920904noreply@blogger.com