tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post714118239566282524..comments2024-03-27T21:24:06.590-04:00Comments on The Manson Family Blog: THE HOSEMatthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06766282574442161929noreply@blogger.comBlogger38125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-27748431601371636502020-12-29T23:41:45.351-05:002020-12-29T23:41:45.351-05:00As to why the killers didn't eliminate the Web...As to why the killers didn't eliminate the Webers, hadn't they already tossed their weapons? Much more difficult if so. Although strangulation with a garden hose would have been a notable addition to Tex's CV.<br /><br /><br />Also, WAY too much is read into what Voytek/Jay said to Tex when they woke up.<br /><br />If I woke up from a couch slumber and saw a stranger, saying 'What are you doing here?' doesn't imply that I know them.Tragical History Tourhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16419266493227241434noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-56426278582411937612020-02-23T21:09:35.001-05:002020-02-23T21:09:35.001-05:00husband and wife have to live with the fact i call...husband and wife have to live with the fact i call to police saved 3 lifes.<br />jnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09393216137124603397noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-72204921631006606482020-02-23T21:08:27.932-05:002020-02-23T21:08:27.932-05:00husband and wife have to live with the fact a simp...husband and wife have to live with the fact a simple call to the police just in case a crime had occured in the area as simple as a damaged mailbox or theft o a lawnchair a few streets away that late at night and that was not in the newspaper but reported to police.clearly they displayed behavior that was a lie and quickly getting away for such a small issue. labianca deaths next night and shorty shae would have not happened. they are over 20 years old.high school kids right. strange the girls did not talk and explain and smile. just a drink of water. they may have known a hippie across the on that street and saw the man use of the hose out front. i want to know how police knew about this if it is true he mentioned it at workjnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09393216137124603397noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-13678151267797580812020-02-02T14:59:49.133-05:002020-02-02T14:59:49.133-05:00That is what I was thinking also. Perhaps they had...That is what I was thinking also. Perhaps they had also been to sebrings home in the past. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13215475379323433900noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-36900737674511796092015-07-06T10:06:22.562-04:002015-07-06T10:06:22.562-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.meskalinkohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06502688763190511842noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-39322031745120624322012-07-23T09:15:10.397-04:002012-07-23T09:15:10.397-04:00the interesting thing to me is how close this hous...the interesting thing to me is how close this house is to jay sebring's house. someone driving down the canyon late at night who half ass knows the street to turn on could easily miss sebring's house turn off and go one more over to portola. off all the places to stop and wash up it is weird.johnnyseattlehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10315694616360383693noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-89845664183559316572011-08-21T19:48:18.837-04:002011-08-21T19:48:18.837-04:00Maybe I should go out and coil out my garden hose....Maybe I should go out and coil out my garden hose.orwhuthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14689926449812436866noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-89014216593881235122011-08-21T22:21:06.595-04:002011-08-21T22:21:06.595-04:00It was Helter Skelter guidance...will people never...It was Helter Skelter guidance...will people never learnlouis365http://www.blogger.com/profile/14404892998314899727noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-15581373735557644572011-08-21T23:22:58.273-04:002011-08-21T23:22:58.273-04:00I went down that street in a van and thought the s...I went down that street in a van and thought the same thing! The one thing I hate about that area is the damn cliffs. I drove from Mullholland into Benedict Canyon and was scared to death...I've always wondered what kept Tex and Co. from killing the owner of the house? I thought I remember reading he tried to yank the keys out of Tex's hands but didn't...just goes to show you if people show up in the middle of the night to use your hose LET THEM!Stacey L.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-76288591235056034312011-08-21T23:49:47.072-04:002011-08-21T23:49:47.072-04:00If people show up in the middle of the night to us...If people show up in the middle of the night to use your hose... SHOOT them!ACFisherAldaghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12146703303687868689noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-76731137161428249962011-08-22T00:33:02.881-04:002011-08-22T00:33:02.881-04:00WOW! I actually agree with AC.WOW! I actually agree with AC.Ken619http://www.blogger.com/profile/10731691485039132322noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-46479715815490003372011-08-22T04:31:56.977-04:002011-08-22T04:31:56.977-04:00I'll have to agree with Stacey. At my age, a ...I'll have to agree with Stacey. At my age, a manslaughter sentence would probably be life.orwhuthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14689926449812436866noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-88114674943277920812011-08-22T04:58:55.778-04:002011-08-22T04:58:55.778-04:00u-turn in that street with a 59 Ford... don´t forg...u-turn in that street with a 59 Ford... don´t forget the methanphetamine factor!Zarathustrahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03907383838992128918noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-43234353107962370652011-08-22T08:45:46.337-04:002011-08-22T08:45:46.337-04:00ACFisherAldag said...If people show up in the midd...ACFisherAldag said...<br><br><i>If people show up in the middle of the night to use your hose... SHOOT them!</i><br><br>Have you ever shot anyone, AC? Killed anyone?<br><br>Just curious. It's not something that's so easy to do ...<br><br>FrankMFrankMhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15929422641281493764noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-12062722328888287242011-08-22T09:56:07.524-04:002011-08-22T09:56:07.524-04:00Sounds like you speak from experience Frank. Milit...Sounds like you speak from experience Frank. Military?Matthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06766282574442161929noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-23148181532036588792011-08-22T10:02:01.753-04:002011-08-22T10:02:01.753-04:00Not my point, Matt, but yes. Semper Fi. But I'...Not my point, Matt, but yes. Semper Fi. But I'm an old man now.<br><br>FrankMFrankMhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15929422641281493764noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-52380839980524770332011-08-22T10:23:55.556-04:002011-08-22T10:23:55.556-04:00I know it wasn't your point. Just picked-up on...I know it wasn't your point. Just picked-up on the undertone. Thank you for your service.Matthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06766282574442161929noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-73225583055101816422011-08-22T10:46:31.088-04:002011-08-22T10:46:31.088-04:00And thanks for the thanks! It was a long time ago....And thanks for the thanks! It was a long time ago.<br><br>My point (in case it was too subtle) was unless you're a psychopath - or trained to kill (as I was) - that it's a pretty major thing to actually fire at someone. Most people most likely would not be capable. Maybe AC is tougher than most.<br><br>In fact, even when you've been trained it's not too easy. Squeezing a trigger at a distant target is not as bad as using white weapons in close combat- it's what you do in training - but even then I've seen men in active service unable to do it. (Not a sexist comment here - there were no women in the CAP in my day).<br><br>As for getting in close, well that's another matter and many old vets like me still have sleepless nights.<br><br>BTW, AC's post might concern a blog owner too - it's not so far removed from incitement, and in sensitive times, people get a little concerned ... <br><br>FrankMFrankMhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15929422641281493764noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-73368714111836987712011-08-22T12:07:12.588-04:002011-08-22T12:07:12.588-04:00Encouraging people to defend their property is not...Encouraging people to defend their property is not by any means incitement. Defending your property is not a crime.Ken619http://www.blogger.com/profile/10731691485039132322noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-73708297114919043052011-08-22T12:38:17.154-04:002011-08-22T12:38:17.154-04:00I would bet that shooting someone who trespasses o...I would bet that shooting someone who trespasses on your property to use your garden hose would be considered a crime in most places, these days.<br><br>Self-defense is supposed to be equal force, so shooting them with a water pistol would be ok, not with a .44starshiphttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13207679706874165027noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-32451674150175937982011-08-22T12:39:37.899-04:002011-08-22T12:39:37.899-04:00Yes, Frank! Thank you for serving! I am fortunat...Yes, Frank! Thank you for serving! I am fortunate enough to have never had to serve. Some of the credit for that, of course, goes to those who have.starshiphttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13207679706874165027noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-42976836091364421762011-08-22T12:42:06.688-04:002011-08-22T12:42:06.688-04:00And just for the fun of it: How could that Rudy W...And just for the fun of it: How could that Rudy Weber guy not call the cops when the next day he hears five people were murdered just around the corner? "Oh and some hippie kids woke me up in the middle of the night...had to chase them off...and the license plate number is...."starshiphttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13207679706874165027noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-90347465836906042752011-08-22T12:42:06.687-04:002011-08-22T12:42:06.687-04:00Starship. Few people make me laugh aloud (Col, Ada...Starship. Few people make me laugh aloud (Col, Adam, St.) You just cracked me up...Matthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06766282574442161929noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-23959160875897763282011-08-22T12:45:04.541-04:002011-08-22T12:45:04.541-04:00starship said..."Self-defense is supposed to ...starship said...<br><br>"Self-defense is supposed to be equal force, so shooting them with a water pistol would be ok, not with a .44"<br><br>That's pretty funny!Ken619http://www.blogger.com/profile/10731691485039132322noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-56608308033241661642011-08-22T17:40:00.714-04:002011-08-22T17:40:00.714-04:00Ken619 said...Encouraging people to defend their p...Ken619 said...<br><br><i>Encouraging people to defend their property is not by any means incitement. Defending your property is not a crime.</i><br><br>I think the word to bear in mind here is <i>proportionate</i>. I'm no lawyer, but I think that if you see someone in your driveway making free use of a water hose - your water hose - and you shoot them either to maim or kill, then I think you might find it hard to defend your action in court. <br><br>It would be hard to claim 'arbitrary interference with [your] privacy' (article 12 of the UDHR) if this took place in your driveway, or that you have been 'arbitrarily deprived of [your] property' (article 17 idem) - after all. the water in the hose is not really your property as such, you merely have the use of it. <br><br>It's not really in the spirit of the 6th Amendment either - there may be reasons that justify the use of the hose that you were not at the time aware of, but would support if asked (someone was unwell, something was on fire, etc.). Imagine someone trying to put out a fire on your property with your hose, and you come out and shoot them!.<br><br>But I'm no lawyer.<br><br>FrankMFrankMhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15929422641281493764noreply@blogger.com