tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post7733577249117150327..comments2024-03-27T21:24:06.590-04:00Comments on The Manson Family Blog: Abigail Folger's FuneralMatthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06766282574442161929noreply@blogger.comBlogger70125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-35252897635970117172021-02-02T05:33:21.398-05:002021-02-02T05:33:21.398-05:00grimtraveller said...
David said...
'I'm ... grimtraveller said...<br />David said...<br /><br />'I'm already dead'<br /><br />Given that this came from Susan Atkins, is it even believable ?<br /><br />Peter said...<br /><br />even more than they were heartless, or even evil, they were just plain stupid<br /><br />No, they weren't plain stupid. That kind of minimizes some of their action and thought.<br /><br />St Circumstance said...<br /><br />Please remember that when these stupid parole hearings come up<br /><br />Is the concept of parole stupid ?<br /><br />******************************<br /><br />Years later, a lucid William Garretson stated that he heard her say it also. He was there. Were you?<br /><br />Yes, many of their actions were stupid.<br /><br />He wasn't stating the concept of parole was stupid, Strawman.<br /><br /><br />You really do pollute this blog with your endless dissection of every sentence. You would think with you sheer volume of verbiage you would get some things right, but no, you miss the point on a consistent basis. Then again, anyone who believes in a fictional Sky Daddy shouldn't be relied upon to display much intelligence.Tragical History Tourhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16419266493227241434noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-51428578852306918722017-10-03T21:05:55.499-04:002017-10-03T21:05:55.499-04:00Well said, St Circumstance. 😃Well said, St Circumstance. 😃Janellskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10466295468261297926noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-56026393121379714642017-10-03T21:02:27.771-04:002017-10-03T21:02:27.771-04:00R I P Abigail Folger. May you be remembered
For ...R I P Abigail Folger. May you be remembered <br />For the many people you helped, and for the time you gave to those in need. Janellskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10466295468261297926noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-72998075162240099942017-09-29T11:52:35.013-04:002017-09-29T11:52:35.013-04:00Interesting link thanks DebInteresting link thanks DebMr. Humphrathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18206702171683458150noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-19807576483384942142017-09-28T13:05:13.259-04:002017-09-28T13:05:13.259-04:00I thought in the taped interview he had an idea of...I thought in the taped interview he had an idea of who Hinman was, mispronouncing the name, but close. Maybe I'm mistaken.<br /><br />I don't know why he would make this up. It doesn't really help the prosecution. Kanarek saw it as somehow implying that Springer was to receive and sell property that the others planned to steal from Hinman and asked whether that was the case, to which Springer responded with a resounding "No." But this theory seems pretty far out there anyway since it was a month before.<br /><br />What it sounds like is a drug deal and I'm surprised that Kanarek didn't try to bring that out. Peterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08760641498649508874noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-84629188022082175132017-09-28T12:30:16.366-04:002017-09-28T12:30:16.366-04:00Puter,
I would be a little careful with Springer....Puter,<br /><br />I would be a little careful with Springer. In his November '69 interview by LAPD he didn't know Hinmans name.Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06551377673977145628noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-18198160796170541222017-09-28T11:30:54.610-04:002017-09-28T11:30:54.610-04:00This is Kanarek's cross on the meeting.
Q: ...This is Kanarek's cross on the meeting. <br /><br /><br />Q: Where did you see Mr. Hinman in Venice?<br />A: A little place where the club and everybody used to hang out, called the Potpourri down by Rose Avenue at the Beach, dead ends at Rose Avenue into the Ocean.<br />...<br />Q: Well, did you actually see Mr. Hinman drive this automobile?<br />A:Yes. He was -- He drove it down to the Potpourri, in the big parking lot, and then he left with it.<br />Q: And on that occasion,you saw him in whose company? If anyone?<br />MANZELLA: Objection, your Honor. It's not relevant.<br />...<br />COURT: Sustained.<br />KANAREK: Well, was Mr. Hinman -- Did you speak to Mr. Hinman on this occasion?<br />A: No, I didn't. <br />Q: Did someone introduce you to Mr. Hinman?<br />A:I wasn't introduced. I was told that that was Mr. Hinman by Danny DeCarlo.<br />Peterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08760641498649508874noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-66296635075129220702017-09-28T11:09:02.022-04:002017-09-28T11:09:02.022-04:00Here is an interesting piece of testimony during t...Here is an interesting piece of testimony during the examination of Al Springer in the Manson Hinman murder trial.<br /><br />Q: Now, Did you know Gary Hinman?<br />A: I had met him on one occasion, down in Venice. That was maybe about a month before that.<br /><br />Peterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08760641498649508874noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-75057517219642505152017-09-27T20:39:20.993-04:002017-09-27T20:39:20.993-04:00Here is a link to Gibby's estate papers, final...Here is a link to Gibby's estate papers, finally remember where I saw them!<br /><br />http://murdersofaugust69.freeforums.net/thread/449/abigail-folger-estate-papersDebShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17093893870315262396noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-28132285170376224642017-09-27T20:35:56.733-04:002017-09-27T20:35:56.733-04:00Can't you just see them doing the closing in G...Can't you just see them doing the closing in Gary's living room. I wonder if Mary was a notary and that's why she went along? Okay Gary, sign here and here ... and here and initial here and here. Peterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08760641498649508874noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-77412250610252595752017-09-27T20:28:18.580-04:002017-09-27T20:28:18.580-04:00To Charlie Manson.
One (1) house. Regular.
Sig...To Charlie Manson. <br /><br />One (1) house. Regular. <br /><br />Signed, Gary Hinman. Peterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08760641498649508874noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-68408278391614192292017-09-27T20:11:25.796-04:002017-09-27T20:11:25.796-04:00Peter said...
(quoting ella jo)
"...he would ...<br /> Peter said...<br />(quoting ella jo)<br />"...he would sign over his house and his vehicles to the Family. ... I also stated that I believed that he had stocks and bonds."<br /><br />That whole theory never made a lick of sense to me. Getting ahold of those assets would have left a paperwork trail a mile wide leading straight back to whomever the assets were singed over to.starviegohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11256800799989566468noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-79736113427507986102017-09-27T18:33:13.223-04:002017-09-27T18:33:13.223-04:00Cielo posted the transcripts from People v. Manson...Cielo posted the transcripts from People v. Manson (Hinman and Shea) trial. <br /><br />Q: Did Mr. Manson say for what purpose he wanted the money and the dune buggies?<br />...<br />WITNESS: Mr. Manson said that, "We need money to get our stuff together, supplies and our dune buggies, to go out to the desert, because we have been spotted at the camp site by the Fire Patrol."<br />Q: Now, was -- during this conversation, or during these statements made my Mr. Manson, were any names mentioned other than names of Family members?"<br />A: Yes, sir.<br />Q: And what names were mentioned?<br />...<br />WITNESS: Gary Hinman's name was mentioned, and also Terry Melcher. [The court strikes Melcher's name]<br />...<br />Q: What was said about Gary Hinman?<br />...<br />WITNESS: It was believed that Gary Hinman had -- was the owner of the house that he lived in, and it was spoken of that if the Family could talk Gary Hinman into joining them -- or, if not, that he would sign over his house and his vehicles to the Family.<br />...<br />A: I said, "I understand Gary Hinman owns his house in Topanga Canyon." I also stated that I believed that he had stocks and bonds.<br /><br />Thanks a bunch Ella Jo.Peterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08760641498649508874noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-36425857239287110752017-09-27T15:47:16.675-04:002017-09-27T15:47:16.675-04:00He probably stole it out of the bedroom five minut...He probably stole it out of the bedroom five minutes before he gave it to her.Peterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08760641498649508874noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-45330654262763537922017-09-27T13:48:29.227-04:002017-09-27T13:48:29.227-04:00And here's Deana Martin from her 2004 memoirs,...And here's Deana Martin from her 2004 memoirs, "Memories Are Made of This: Dean Martin Through His Daughter's Eyes." Contextually, it seems she's referring to mid-1968 or so.<br /><br /> “I started dating Terry Melcher, one of Claudia’s old flames. Through him, I came into contact with someone who would haunt my dreams for the rest of my life- Charles Manson. Terry was by then an independent producer for Apple Records, and Manson fancied himself a singer and guitarist. To woo Terry into considering him for a recording contract, he had a mutual friend, Dennis Wilson of the Beach Boys, introduce them. We met up at Terry’s house at 10050 Cielo Dirve in Benedict Canyon, above Beverly Hills. Manson’s friend Charles ‘Tex’ Watson accompanied him on the first occasion, and later he showed up with a couple of girls. Tex talked about music and what he wanted to do with his life. Manson, on the other hand, who liked to be called Charlie, was very small and looked like every other hippie on Sunset with his guitar.<br /> Sitting on the floor one day and listening to him sing and play, my eyes were drawn to a ring he was wearing on his little finger.<br /> ‘Here,’ he told me, sliding it off and handing it to me. ‘I want you to have this.’ Before I could object, he pressed it into my hand, adding, ‘You’re Dean Martin’s daughter, aren’t you?’<br /> I looked down at the flat silver band with unusual Indian symbols engraved on it, and nodded. ‘Thank you,’ I said, and slipped the ring on.” pp. 163-164<br /><br /><br />Chris Tillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13645842550523612266noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-32032852972960450942017-09-27T13:47:24.443-04:002017-09-27T13:47:24.443-04:00Manson had a grudge against refrigerators.
Grim,...Manson had a grudge against refrigerators. <br /><br />Grim, add it to the possible motives list.Peterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08760641498649508874noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-71895441831564158432017-09-27T13:42:18.510-04:002017-09-27T13:42:18.510-04:00I'm real "sentimental" about places....I'm real "sentimental" about places. When I'm in LA (monthly or so), I often drive by places that were important in the past, mostly related to music...recording studios, musician's former homes, etc. It helps me get a sense of what it was like back in the day. I recently found the George Harrison Bluejay Way house, for example. So the Mark Lindsay info reminds me what a bummer it is that the original Cielo how no longer exists. Lindsay, Jimi, Wilson, Cass, on and on. I guess that I'm getting to be a sentimental old fart!<br /><br />Lindsay is still performing well, is in good physical shape, etc. by the way. Good to see. <br /><br />Sorry for the interruption. We now return you to your regular programming. Jennhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16318651628897411177noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-13318303792766457292017-09-27T13:29:20.567-04:002017-09-27T13:29:20.567-04:00Interesting stuff, Chris.Interesting stuff, Chris.Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06551377673977145628noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-75313803576891829092017-09-27T13:20:31.961-04:002017-09-27T13:20:31.961-04:00Are we doing the how-many-times-was-CM-at-Cielo di...Are we doing the how-many-times-was-CM-at-Cielo discussion? Here's Mark Lindsay, lead singer of Paul Revere & the Raiders, on his time living at Cielo with Terry Melcher, circa 1968 (from Lindsay's Facebook page, https://www.facebook.com/OfficialMarkLindsayPage/posts/905128692856139:0):<br /><br />"One hot summer day at the end of a series of tour dates, I returned to the house when there was a meeting going on in the living room. Dennis Wilson of the Beach Boys was there, and he, Terry, and a prominent attorney were discussing some kind of deal. <br /><br />So as not to interrupt, I went into the kitchen to get a cold drink. There was a guy I didn't recognize squatting on the slate floor, leaning against the refrigerator. He was dressed in a blue work shirt and jeans and did not seem too happy.<br />I tried to open the refrigerator door but the guy wouldn't budge. 'Excuse me,' I said, but he totally ignored me. I tried again. 'Sorry, man, but I'm trying to get in the frig! He didn't move or even look at me. I walked into the living room and asked, 'What's with the weird guy in the kitchen?'<br /><br />Dennis said, 'Oh, that's just Charlie...he's okay'" But he didn't seem very 'okay' me at the time.<br /><br />This of course turned out to be Charlie Manson, and he was at the house on at least one other occasion. When I was driving up to the house a couple of weeks later, he was just getting into a limo, which then left. Charlie didn't look like the kind of guy who could or would hire a limousine, so I figured Terry or Dennis must have sent one for him.<br /><br />When I walked into the house, the vibes were not good, so I figured that particular meeting must not have one well. Supposedly, Manson was at least at one other meeting at Cielo, but these are the only two times I saw him there. As I came and went from my trips, I would never know who I might encounter when I returned. I met Hendrix there, Mama Cass, John and Michelle, and a lot of 'folkies' and blues musicians."<br />Chris Tillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13645842550523612266noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-82644024870515709622017-09-27T11:18:28.554-04:002017-09-27T11:18:28.554-04:00Thanks to all for responding to my query.Thanks to all for responding to my query.starviegohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11256800799989566468noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-9309974089604688182017-09-27T10:33:29.833-04:002017-09-27T10:33:29.833-04:00I think pretty much the last thing I would want is...I think pretty much the last thing I would want is for Manson to know my address.Peterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08760641498649508874noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-82452057415616256882017-09-27T09:56:25.534-04:002017-09-27T09:56:25.534-04:00Starviego said: "Source?"
Q: When is th...Starviego said: "Source?"<br /><br />Q: When is the first time you met Charles Manson? <br />A: Sometime during the summer of 1968.<br /><br />****<br /><br />Q: So Dennis drove you home to the address 10050 Cielo Drive? <br />A: Yes.<br />Q: And Manson was in the back seat? <br />A: Correct. <br />Q: Did either Manson or Wilson get out of the car at your address? <br />A: No, sir. <br />Q: They dropped you off at the gate? <br />A: Yes. <br />Q: And then you entered and they turned around and left? <br />A: Right -- well, it wasn't at the gate. It was inside the gate, in the parking area. <br />Q: You entered the gate? <br />A: Right. <br />Q: You got out of the car and then they left? <br />A: Right, that is correct.<br /><br />Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06551377673977145628noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-22377158438999312422017-09-27T08:29:25.109-04:002017-09-27T08:29:25.109-04:00Starviego, he testified that Manson was there in 6...Starviego, he testified that Manson was there in 68 at the Grand Jury, and both the Manson and Watson trialscielodrivecomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03535091266830414644noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-85200155150885938082017-09-27T07:35:01.426-04:002017-09-27T07:35:01.426-04:00Peter said...
If Linda was in my family I wou... Peter said...<br /><br /> <b>If Linda was in my family I wouldn't even write to her</b><br /><br />Interesting. On 2 levels.<br />Interesting that you should pick out Linda as opposed to Pat, Leslie and Susan.<br />And interesting that you wouldn't stand by a loved one that had erred. I say that because a major component in bringing the murderers back to where they'd started to jump off was in their families sticking by them even though they were horrified by what they had done.<br /><br /> starviego said...<br /><br /> <b>Source?</b><br /><br />The Watson trial. Melcher stated that he'd been given a lift home once and Charlie was in the car. Have a look through both his and Deana Martin's testimony in the Watson trial. Neither are earth shattering but they do plug the odd gap.grimtravellerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00025774296829848608noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-16006124363761421362017-09-27T00:09:29.417-04:002017-09-27T00:09:29.417-04:00grimtraveller said..
Funny thing about Melcher ~ h... grimtraveller said..<br />Funny thing about Melcher ~ he never denied Charlie came to Cielo in the summer of '68. He testified to it.<br /><br />Source?starviegohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11256800799989566468noreply@blogger.com