tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post7859504537237646263..comments2024-03-29T10:47:02.156-04:00Comments on The Manson Family Blog: Newsom denies parole to Charles Manson follower Leslie Van Houten, overruling parole boardMatthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06766282574442161929noreply@blogger.comBlogger84125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-67971704517445673872019-10-24T14:29:42.803-04:002019-10-24T14:29:42.803-04:00Charlie Higgins, it's nice of you to laugh whe...Charlie Higgins, it's nice of you to laugh when there is a gun tragedy in the USA. It shows EXACTLY what kind of person you are. And that's MR. AMERICAN to you runt.Intensehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13125071766536404252noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-39968413176246516532019-09-26T19:26:45.175-04:002019-09-26T19:26:45.175-04:00John Seger said: "When it comes to Lulu insis...John Seger said: "When it comes to Lulu insisting she only stabbed Rosemary after she was dead, that is a guess. There were pre and post mortem stab wounds in her back."<br /><br />Not really. Knife and bullet wounds on dead things don't generally bleed a lot. I know, I've seen it. There are other ways to discern the difference too. But the general area of LVH's stabs (butt and just above) were neither drenched in blood nor fatal spots even if RMLB had still been alive which she wasn't. At worst she could have been paralyzed had the spine been hit if she had still been a live and survived medical treatment for her other wounds.<br /><br />John Seger said: "She volunteered to go the second night ("I wanted to be a good soldier"), and her antics during the first trial were disgusting."<br /><br />That in no way should require anyone to serve anywhere close to how long she has for the stated crime, comparably speaking in California, especially with repeated recommendations for release from the parole board lately (which comes with limitations). All you're after is revenge and bloodlust which doesn't become anyone and has no business in the law.<br /><br />Unknown said: "If the governor has interest in a political future he could never release a Charles Manson family member not him he needs the votes"<br /><br />I now no longer see the risk for politicians releasing LVH for reasons cited in my earlier post above. Like I said, I don't see that many people **alive** now from that era, and who of the rest who don't remember anything about it would care one way or the other? SO the Guv just says the board says it's ok, there will be a short stink and media hype, then end of story.<br />Robert Chttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11931071604173368606noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-83032281072017104822019-09-26T17:32:17.812-04:002019-09-26T17:32:17.812-04:00That's what it's really happening hereThat's what it's really happening hereBobby Dhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11495422911128268923noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-32448417425220265492019-09-26T17:31:22.617-04:002019-09-26T17:31:22.617-04:00If the governor has interest in a political future...If the governor has interest in a political future he could never release a Charles Manson family member not him he needs the votesBobby Dhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11495422911128268923noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-41801700117552093722019-09-26T15:43:44.613-04:002019-09-26T15:43:44.613-04:00When it comes to Lulu insisting she only stabbed R...When it comes to Lulu insisting she only stabbed Rosemary after she was dead, that is a guess.<br />There were pre and post mortem stab wounds in her back. Either way, that shouldn't lessen her contribution. She volunteered to go the second night ("I wanted to be a good soldier"), and her antics during the first trial were disgusting.John Segerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13870704063219582222noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-32191729590159024502019-09-26T14:42:48.344-04:002019-09-26T14:42:48.344-04:00Turn the other cheek or eye for an eye. There'...Turn the other cheek or eye for an eye. There's a middle ground too. We're more sophisticated than biblical times. She is NOT Tex, or Charlie for that matterDan Shttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17058602981660065969noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-14830386528750768592019-09-26T10:52:30.431-04:002019-09-26T10:52:30.431-04:00Old lady? I know several women older than Van Hout...Old lady? I know several women older than Van Houten that go out with friends all the time, do yoga, go on cruises, have boyfriends, etc. I think people are considering LVH a blue hair who is already using a walker & wearing adult diapers. The arguments that she wouldn't hurt a fly if released is irreverent. So is comparing other crimes to hers. It is what she did, not what she might do. Also,she didn't help herself by laughing, singing and acting like complete animal during the trial. She poured salt in the wounds of the families left behind. Nobody seems to give any thought to Rosemary's son or Leno's mom & children. Broken hearted doesn't come close to the horror of what they went through. So, everything is supposed to be forgotten because Leslie is eligible for parole? AustinAnn74https://www.blogger.com/profile/06342503212454947554noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-32587349945796556752019-09-26T10:44:39.789-04:002019-09-26T10:44:39.789-04:00I wish the governor had been honest. He should hav...I wish the governor had been honest. He should have just said, "It would be political suicide to allow this prisoner to walk free, therefore, I overturn the parole recommendation"<br />StillGroovinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10512734427797445390noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-24353413217781268092019-09-25T14:38:41.422-04:002019-09-25T14:38:41.422-04:00I believe dunne's murderer was a long time boy...I believe dunne's murderer was a long time boy friend of hers. There's something worse about apathetic stranger murder than a heat of passion murder. And thrill killing is even worse. One of the Leopold and Loebs was released. <br /><br />How much is it to house an inmate a year? 35000$? That's a couple bombs at least. Dan Shttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17058602981660065969noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-26274801360554713952019-09-25T13:30:37.625-04:002019-09-25T13:30:37.625-04:00John Seger said:
I just think it would have been ...John Seger said:<br /> I just think it would have been easier for the families of the victim's. Not having to deal with the parole hearings, the media hype, etc. <br /><br />Another excellent point. Maybe put down half for the families and save half for the curious.Matthew https://www.blogger.com/profile/17147415819068597641noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-43620236689131063472019-09-25T13:21:48.236-04:002019-09-25T13:21:48.236-04:00@Matthew, Yes, good point. I remember Pat saying t...@Matthew, Yes, good point. I remember Pat saying that too. On a Diane Sawyer interview I think. I think it would be the easier way out(execution) than being locked up for decades. I just think it would have been easier for the families of the victim's. Not having to deal with the parole hearings, the media hype, etc. For example, the horrific life of Frank Struthers. How terribly sad. John Segerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13870704063219582222noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-37731919770822930972019-09-25T12:39:22.682-04:002019-09-25T12:39:22.682-04:00I also don't think that there would still be s...I also don't think that there would still be so much interest in the case had they all been put to death. I also don't think that if LVH were ever to be released that she would be out with friends having a blast every day. She is an old lady and doubt she has many friends. At least true friends and not friends because of her notoriety. Matthew https://www.blogger.com/profile/17147415819068597641noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-60698885945262972372019-09-25T12:36:03.865-04:002019-09-25T12:36:03.865-04:00I would have to disagree that they should have bee...I would have to disagree that they should have been put to death years ago. If that would have happened, they would be forever young misguided hippies. This way, we watch them grow old and live with the guilt. I remember Pat once said that not one day goes by that she doesn't wake up knowing that she is a destroyer of life. Death would have been an easy way out.Matthew https://www.blogger.com/profile/17147415819068597641noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-71371092875588996812019-09-25T04:04:00.712-04:002019-09-25T04:04:00.712-04:00When Van Houten's conviction was thrown out, i...When Van Houten's conviction was thrown out, it made it like she had never tried at the Tate/LaBianca murder trial at all. Only Manson, Atkins and Krenwinkel were given the death penalty at that trial. beaudershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14223387983663922713noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-69585330039675496932019-09-24T22:22:12.442-04:002019-09-24T22:22:12.442-04:00all8 said: " I don't think Newsome wants ...all8 said: " I don't think Newsome wants his name attached to any potential Manson parolee as the guy who didn't overturn a parole board decision. Don't blame him. "<br /><br />The thing of it is, I don't think there are very many today who care. Most who are older than me are now dead as are many of my age. I was a very young adult when it happened.<br /><br />So I keep wondering why it would there be significant political ramifications for someone like Newsome to follow the parole board and cut her loose ? Sure there will be a few vocals plus perhaps a few media days before it's all forgotten. All Newsome has to do is tell the public, hey, the parole board said it was ok. So then I keep wondering what is it guys like Newsome and Brown see that many of us don't ?<br /><br />Did you know that beautiful actress Dominique Dunne was strangled to death at age 22 in SoCal in 1982 and her murderer did **less the four years** ? He almost immediately became a head chef at a nice restaurant for a few years in LA but then left to be likewise in another city where he remains to this day. I mean, this guy had real hands-on involvement. I mean when you're staring in someone's face while physically snuffing them ... that's more than crossing a line. You don't come back from that.<br /><br />And here we have LVH serving how long … multiple decades for inflicting what the coroner said was post-mortem wounds in the lower back of one individual with a high probability none of them being fatal had the victim been alive at the time ? Is that it ?<br /><br />Tell me again, how long did the murderer serve for actress Dunne ? And how long has LVH served for actress Tate (of which LVH wasn't there) ?<br /><br />I think the bulk of Americans today have gone batshit crazy without any common sense anymore. We already know the legal system has. Like lost airline luggage in the rings of Saturn, it just doesn't make sense.<br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br />Robert Chttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11931071604173368606noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-43671664113610615082019-09-24T20:46:31.619-04:002019-09-24T20:46:31.619-04:00I don't think Newsome wants his name attached ...I don't think Newsome wants his name attached to any potential Manson parolee as the guy who didn't overturn a parole board decision. Don't blame him. all8https://www.blogger.com/profile/04975926677450574786noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-82718204178756038762019-09-24T19:14:18.881-04:002019-09-24T19:14:18.881-04:00They should have been put to death. Still i believ...They should have been put to death. Still i believe in redemption and two wrongs don't make a right. I think the mylai massacre happened at the same time but i guess 200 g**ks aren't worth one movie starDan Shttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17058602981660065969noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-16279569375617019202019-09-24T19:09:10.786-04:002019-09-24T19:09:10.786-04:00Her original sentence was ruled invalid. You can&#...Her original sentence was ruled invalid. You can't have it both waysDan Shttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17058602981660065969noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-66819696217724684252019-09-24T18:22:20.029-04:002019-09-24T18:22:20.029-04:00@grimtraveller,
With much respect, as I love your ...@grimtraveller,<br />With much respect, as I love your posts,<br />The fact these murders are so infamous and publicly noted, I think that is more of a reason to never let them out. Whether that makes them a political prisoner or not. The infamous spree killers and serial killers Should be used as examples. Is that fair? That's up for debate, but nothing will change my opinion. Clem and Squeaky should have never been paroled either. <br />As far as my credibility being reduced for calling Lulu a horsey face twice, oh well. She's a public figure that murdered, and giggled and made a horse's @ss out of herself during the trial. I could use much worse names to describe her, but I won't.<br />I have zero respect for any of these murdering idiots.<br />John Segerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13870704063219582222noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-15958390339647734992019-09-24T18:07:12.471-04:002019-09-24T18:07:12.471-04:00John Seger said...
Not only was her crime hor... John Seger said...<br /><br /> <b>Not only was her crime horrific, but her antics during the trial were freaky. Singing, laughing, chanting, shaving her head and carving an X onto her forehead, grinning at the victim's families as she described how much "fun" it was to stab! </b><br /><br />Actually, she never described how much fun it was to stab during her trial. And do we know if and which members of the victims' families were present in court during the penalty phase when she did speak ?<br /><br /> <b>She should NEVER be released. Releasing her would send the wrong message</b><br /><br />What, that if you commit murder and within a few years recognize the error of your ways and try to turn your life around and pretty much succeed and become a useful person within prison while hardly setting a foot wrong in 45 years and having been incarcerated for 50 and refused parole 19 times, that you'll be deemed to have gotten away with it ?<br />grimtravellerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00025774296829848608noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-60188508630128311382019-09-24T17:57:43.020-04:002019-09-24T17:57:43.020-04:00John Seger said...
I am aware of that. But to s... John Seger said...<br /><br /> <b>I am aware of that. But to simply post that she didn't receive the death penalty is misleading and false. Her original sentence WAS death</b><br /><br />Yes but any sentence is subject to attempts to appeal, are they not ? So if a sentence is overturned on appeal, the original verdict is null and void. Even Leslie's second sentence of life in prison {with built in eligbility for consideration for parole} when the death sentence was outlawed by California was set aside by that appeal result. In other words, that result does not exist. So with that in mind, and particularly as you state your awareness of the nuances of her case, it's misleading to say "Van Houten was found guilty of murder and sentenced to death, before her sentence was automatically commuted to life in prison when California banned the death penalty in 1972" because while technically true, it only tells 2 chapters of a 15 chapter story. It also does you no credit and cheapens your point when you go on about Van Houten's physical appearence, not once but twice.grimtravellerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00025774296829848608noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-32888437444793376452019-09-24T17:45:55.652-04:002019-09-24T17:45:55.652-04:00@AustinAnn74 EXACTLY! They are piles and piles of ...@AustinAnn74 EXACTLY! They are piles and piles of poop! 💩 Should be flushed,not paroled!John Segerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13870704063219582222noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-1185826231150164042019-09-24T16:00:55.208-04:002019-09-24T16:00:55.208-04:00Leslie Van Houten and the rest of her murdering fr...Leslie Van Houten and the rest of her murdering friends forfeited their freedom just as permanently as they left the victims in their place of burial. How vulvar to even imagine her getting out & enjoying dinners with friends, walks on the beach, laying in a hammock on a beautiful, blue-sky day, being embraced by a lover etc., all while her victims are mere skeletons in a casket without earthly pleasures to enjoy. No f*cking way!!AustinAnn74https://www.blogger.com/profile/06342503212454947554noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-22952591889955737092019-09-24T15:53:09.275-04:002019-09-24T15:53:09.275-04:00David, I am aware of that. But to simply post that...David, I am aware of that. But to simply post that she didn't receive the death penalty is misleading and false. Her original sentence WAS death. It's a shame any of their sentences were changed. IMO they should have been gassed decades ago.John Segerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13870704063219582222noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-42619612533361206522019-09-24T15:25:25.647-04:002019-09-24T15:25:25.647-04:00John,
LVH's conviction is more complicated t...John, <br /><br />LVH's conviction is more complicated than that. <br /><br />Yes, she was originally convicted and sentenced to death. That conviction was overturned on appeal for 'ineffective assistance of counsel'- Ronald Hughes' disappearance and the trial court forcing Maxwell Keith to argue the matter on a short timeframe. He moved for a mistrial which the court denied. <br /><br />Her second trial ended in a hung jury: 7-5 for murder vs manslaughter. <br /><br />Her third trial resulted in her receiving an sentence of something like 7-life, not the death penalty. Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06551377673977145628noreply@blogger.com