tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post832615381312551130..comments2024-03-28T23:53:16.262-04:00Comments on The Manson Family Blog: The Process, Gypsy Jokers and Ed SandersMatthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06766282574442161929noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-11632043511585138912022-11-18T05:02:10.240-05:002022-11-18T05:02:10.240-05:00If "Dirty Doug" Bontempi actually shot a...If "Dirty Doug" Bontempi actually shot a Hell's Angel in a bar brawl, the Angels apparently didn't hold a grudge. He patched over to the San Jose Hell's Angel chapter with Phil Cross et al and became a partner in crime with the Walter White of the biker world, Oakland HA meth cooker extraordinaire Kenny Owen. You can read about them in a 1979 Rolling Stone magazine article called "Hell's Angels-Masters Of Menace".Gorodishhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16554015159612108936noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-78377584103341010212022-11-12T22:34:49.374-05:002022-11-12T22:34:49.374-05:00I find Ed Sanders fascinating. He’s a poet and wri...I find Ed Sanders fascinating. He’s a poet and writes in hieroglyphics. A beatnik and hippie he’s really a Renaissance man. Plus oo-ee-oo is classic Manson terminology!Rock N. Rollhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07670821727767755900noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-87878694101396678632022-11-10T12:17:40.720-05:002022-11-10T12:17:40.720-05:00I just saw an article about how the Ukrainians are...I just saw an article about how the Ukrainians are fighting Russia with dune buggies. Ed Sanders book tile immediately came to mind.orwhuthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14689926449812436866noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-54525546456394401862022-11-09T19:46:46.455-05:002022-11-09T19:46:46.455-05:00Mario III normally has something to contribute on ...Mario III normally has something to contribute on the biker aspect. Milly Jameshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03612495681178122993noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-22351635786088310132022-11-09T13:47:22.056-05:002022-11-09T13:47:22.056-05:00I think Phil Cross is honest about things that don...I think Phil Cross is honest about things that don't incriminate him in something unlawful such as whether or not the Gypsy Jokers were involved in the occult, with The Process or any other cult activity and whether or not Filippo Tenerelli was a member of the Gypsy Jokers.<br /><br />It doesn't make sense that Tenerelli would be affiliated with a motorcycle club that had its chapters primarily in northern and central California when he lived in the Los Angeles area.<br /><br />My feeling about the whole thing is that Victor Wild was the person who was interested in The Process and perhaps other cultish organizations. It's not a stretch to believe that Wild would have made leathers or other items for the Gypsy Jokers in San Jose. We know Wild was acquainted with Manson but just because Wild knew Manson, the Jokers and was involved with The Process for a time it doesn't follow that all three were in tight with each other.<br /><br />I think that Sanders failed to follow through with investigating the three different factions and he presented the information in such a way that it led people to believe they were all connected.DebShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17093893870315262396noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-40849613474315155012022-11-08T20:40:30.001-05:002022-11-08T20:40:30.001-05:00My book on the history of the FBI's 10 Most Wa...My book on the history of the FBI's 10 Most Wanted is packed away, but I recall the section on Mr. Fillmore Cross aka Phil Cross. A dashing looking man, he was, with great hair. Whether or not he had a reputation for honesty, the book did not say. Toadstool Shadowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11901386260575021569noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-77238759827623771042022-11-08T12:44:56.182-05:002022-11-08T12:44:56.182-05:00Accurate or not, I enjoyed Ed's book. Ooo eee ...Accurate or not, I enjoyed Ed's book. Ooo eee oooorwhuthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14689926449812436866noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-58657944959251691092022-11-07T22:31:36.497-05:002022-11-07T22:31:36.497-05:00Good story shoe.Thanks!Good story shoe.Thanks!orwhuthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14689926449812436866noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-63092992339532693912022-11-07T14:01:38.639-05:002022-11-07T14:01:38.639-05:00Off topic but very interesting...Bruce/Stoner had ...Off topic but very interesting...Bruce/Stoner had Lynette/Squeaky as his guest last night. A little bit more than an hour of conversation <br /><br /><br />https://youtu.be/6mgSJXuYZawDoughttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17388908256992077315noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-68495628368677990182022-11-07T10:33:21.279-05:002022-11-07T10:33:21.279-05:00Again, this is very good work, Deb, and this is wh...Again, this is very good work, Deb, and this is what makes reading this forum worthwhile.<br /><br />Now, a personal anecdote that's really worth nothing substantive, but it's a personal impression, so take it for what it's worth.<br /><br />In 1965 I worked at an all night gas station in San Rafael, CA, in Marin county, just north of SF. I was 18 and enrolled at College of Marin, and junior college in Kentfield.<br /><br />I had the midnight to 8 shift, and it may have been a weekend. Sometime around 1 am to 3 am 4-6 bikers came into the station. One of them wanted a place to work on his bike, saying that he was having trouble with it that night.<br /><br />Naturally I was very nervous, since the Hells Angels had a fairly high public profile, and these bikers wore the Gypsy Jokers patches (the name stuck in my head--it's almost comical, playful) and looked just like Angels. So I cheerfully acquiesced (of course) and they guy and his friends pulled over under one of the light standards and did just as he said: he fiddled around with some tools on the engine of the bike, got it running the way he liked, thanked me, then left. His friends stood around smoking and talking while he worked on his bike. No other motorists came in during that period, and I just watched them from the booth. They were all probably 5-10 years older than I was.<br /><br />They were disappointingly "normal" in their behavior.<br /><br />It was odd; my observations of them did not align with my expectations, which were that they would be semi-drunken madmen, like outlaws in a western film, and that I'd be lucky to escape the encounter intact. That they did not act this way in this situation doesn't mean that they never did, or were not willing and capable, but rather it implies less saturation in outlaw culture, with the persona being assumed when they wanted it, as a part of a public display or statement.<br /><br />Well, like I said, this means nothing, but hopefully adds texture to an understanding of the times, especially for any who have no experience of the transition from early 60s "normal America" to the mid/late 60s freaked out youth culture.shoegazerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14073693271676337152noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-26703313690590024392022-11-07T10:33:18.777-05:002022-11-07T10:33:18.777-05:00Excellent stuff, Deb. Thanks for this.Excellent stuff, Deb. Thanks for this.Torquehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00444301737391992929noreply@blogger.com