tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post8346775758393674369..comments2024-03-27T21:24:06.590-04:00Comments on The Manson Family Blog: Vanity Fair and Lynette Fromme's ResponseMatthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06766282574442161929noreply@blogger.comBlogger73125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-49053992730137611532017-01-04T10:14:41.955-05:002017-01-04T10:14:41.955-05:00All this talk about the music of the 60's leav...All this talk about the music of the 60's leaves me longing for a good outdoor concert. When I think of the greatest musical talents of that time period I have to include Joni Mitchell (greatest ever, IMHO), Miles Davis, Chicago, Nick Drake, Jimi Hendrix, Janis Joplin, Frank Zappa, Bob Dylan, The Who, Pink Floyd, Led Zeppelin, Yes, David Bowie, Fleetwood Mac, Renaissance, King Crimson, Cream, Spirit, Jefferson Airplane ... and the list goes on.StillGroovinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10512734427797445390noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-85145047127667137502016-12-26T20:03:18.719-05:002016-12-26T20:03:18.719-05:00ziggyosterberg said...
Some awesome David Crosby...ziggyosterberg said...<br /><br /><br /><b>Some awesome David Crosby lyrics</b><br /><br />They do look pretty crap. But then, so many songs that are brilliant songs wouldn't be if you just went by the lyrics. Even Dylan, who, in my opinion, changed lyric writing in rock forever with his stuff on "Highway 61" and "Bringing it all back home," wrote a few clunkers or they look that way when you see them written down.<br /><br />David Geffen said..<br /><br /><b>David was obnoxious, loud, demanding, thoughtless, full of himself – of the four of them [David Crosby, Steven Stills, Graham Nash and Neil Young], the least talented</b><br /><br />That's known as synergy, Dave.<br /><br />St said someone on Wiki said...<br /><br /><b>Cast to play the bass player was Chris Hillman, who had never picked up a bass guitar in his life. As he candidly admitted years later, he “was a mandolin player and didn’t know how to play bass</b><br /><br />Mind you, the note configuration of a bass is just the mandolin strung backwards.<br />To be honest, many of the key bass players in the 60s weren't initially bass guitarists. Paul McCartney, Carol Kaye, Jack Bruce, Roger Glover, James Jamerson, Larry Graham, Bill Wyman, John Paul Jones, Brian Wilson, John Entwistle, Rick Grech, Greg Lake, Wally Waller, Geezer Butler, Martin Turner, Chris Squire and others all had made their starts on guitars, pianos, harmonicas, trumpets and horns. {Jamerson & Bruce moved to double bass from piano}. <br />It's really the 70s where you start to get in vast numbers bassists for whom the bass guitar was their first and primary instrument. I think that accounts for the way rock bass playing developed in the 60s with some really clever stuff after 1965 and also the actual sonics. Engineers didn't seem to arrive at a generic staple sound of the bass until well into the 70s. It seemed like an afterthought much of the time.grimtravellerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00025774296829848608noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-64363899705425641762016-12-26T20:02:34.742-05:002016-12-26T20:02:34.742-05:00Mr. Humphrat said...
I heard Carol Kaye on the ra...Mr. Humphrat said...<br /><br /><b>I heard Carol Kaye on the radio say she secretly filled in the bass line on some of the Doors songs and they never knew</b><br /><br />Yeah, Carol Kaye played both bass and guitar for the crew. Apparently, they were called the wrecking crew because some of the older musicians who had been doing sessions prior thought these new young upstarts were wrecking the scene for them.<br />In the 90s there was a lot of controversy over whether or not the crew played on some of the big hits that came out of Motown. Carol Kaye herself says she played bass on the 4 Tops' "Reach out, I'll be there," The Supremes' "Baby Love," "You keep me hanging on" {great bass parts} and "You can't hurry love," Mary Well's "My guy" and Stevie Wonder's "I was made to love her" {one of the first outstanding bass lines in a song in that decade that went a long way towards freeing up what bass players could contribute to a song}. She says that they never knew what the song they were playing on was but she'd recognize her style when those songs came on the radio. Kind of funny that bass players that cite Motown's James Jamerson's style as an influence may, in actuality, have been influenced by an uncredited white lady.<br />At one point, she said she was making more money than LBJ !<br /><br /> St Circumstance said...<br /><br /><b>it was a small rock and roll world back then it seems</b><br /><br />There wasn't really a rock scene as such prior to '66. After the Beatles came to America in '64, it slowly began to develop. England was no different. It was showbiz, not the rock scene. It's interesting seeing the kind of artists that were on some of those early Rolling Stones and Beatles bills. Some of them read as something you could go to with your Mum !<br />America seems to have been desperate to have it's own homegrown scene after the Beatles, Stones, Hollies, Dave Clark 5, Herman's Hermits and the Animals had been over and shown "the way." Hence your Byrds, Turtles and later Monkees. Funny thing is that bubbling in the undergrowth was a revolution in the making. It was sort of marketed as folk rock and co~opted Dylan and the Beach Boys {who had been making records before the Beatles} and, along with acid and few other ingredients, paved the way for American psychedelia, a very different creature from it's English cousin.<br /><br /><b>The wrecking Crew: ( excerpt from Wiki)<br /><br /> They were sometimes used as "ghost players" on recordings credited to rock groups, such as the Byrds' debut hit rendition of Bob Dylan's "Mr. Tambourine Man" (1965)</b><br /><br />Again, there was a parallel development of this kind of thing in the UK. Session musicians that went on to bigger things like Jimmy Page, John Paul Jones, Jon Lord, Nicky Hopkins, Ritchie Blackmore, Big Jim Sullivan and John McLaughlin could find themselves on sessions by the Kinks, the Stones and the Who as well as Donovan, Shirley Bassey and Tom Jones. People like Dave Davies of the Kinks got well pissed off that for years, Jimmy Page was rumoured to have played the solo on "You really got me" and Pagey won't talk about it.<br />I think the presence of session musicians allied with songs being brought in by producers for these 'bands' to record {with the developing knowledge that publishing was where the consistent money lay} forced many artists to get better as musicians, singers, writers and producers and led to a period where the industry changed almost unrecognizeably, in the sense that the album became the dominant means of getting one's music and message out.<br />grimtravellerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00025774296829848608noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-50341114501370149292016-12-26T14:18:38.920-05:002016-12-26T14:18:38.920-05:00Robert C said...
Nash is a co-founder of the Holl... Robert C said...<br /><br /><b>Nash is a co-founder of the Hollies</b><br /><br />The Hollies are one of the few bands I actually remember from the 60s, or more specifically, Allan Clarke's face. I've no idea why. I quite liked a few of their songs but Nash's "King Midas in reverse" is far and away my fave of theirs. It kind of signaled the end of his time with them as they weren't up for going psychedelic. Like Barry Gibb, I still find it amusing that he sounds like a Mancunian.<br /><br /> St Circumstance said...<br /><br /><b>I thought his book was self serving BS. I didn't believe a third of it. Brian's book was much better and more interesting because Brian was much more talented and interesting</b><br /><br />Brian's book was worth the wait. I used to have the first one, "Wouldn't it be nice," but I read somewhere that he hadn't really written it and that he was actually writing one so I chucked it and decided to wait. It sounds like it was written by someone that has struggled with mental illness, lots of strange twists and turns and left field references. But it's actually a strength. Very little about the Manson saga in it, also a plus point.<br /><br /> Lynn said...<br /><br /><b>Gene could actually play guitar but Crosby heckled him so bad, that he actually started to doubt himself and let Crosby take over the playing</b><br /><br />Gene Clark was possibly American pop/rock's first acid casualty. From when he first took the trip, his life just kaleidoscoped pretty much until he died. Like a lot of the acoustic guitar playing folkies of the time, he was adequate rather than outstanding. But he crumbled under the weight of Crosby's critcisms of his guitar playing, acid, sudden fame and the resentment of the rest of the band due to the fact that in their first couple of years, he was the primary songwriter in the band and made more money than the others. Personally, I've long held Gene Clark to be America's foremost songwriter in that early to mid 60s period. I think he wrote better stuff than Dylan, Brian Wilson, Sloan and Holland/Dozier/Holland and until '66 was the only serious American contender to challenge Lennon and McCartney although Dylan's '65 output is unsinkable in it's total and long range sphere of influence on both sides of the Atlantic.<br />Gene Clark's problem is that he just didn't have the staying power to take on the competition.<br /><br />grimtravellerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00025774296829848608noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-74080045832276534972016-12-26T04:09:08.288-05:002016-12-26T04:09:08.288-05:00I believe that both Nash and Crosby are very talen...I believe that both Nash and Crosby are very talented. Both are excellent writers, and both sing great high harmonies. Neither are great guitarists; both Stills and Young are far superior players. The great guitarist of the Laurel Canyon scene (in addition to Zappa) was Joni Mitchell. Easily the best folky guitarist of that crowd. DC and GN still sound great as evidenced by both of their recent records, and hearing GN in a live one hour set at the last NAMM Show. <br /><br />The whole recording scene of those days with the Wrecking Crew, et al is a serious research interest of mine. Perhaps there will be a reason to chat about it further here in the future. Jennhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16318651628897411177noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-46118792922251584492016-12-25T18:01:47.886-05:002016-12-25T18:01:47.886-05:00You don't have to apologize for your opinion a...You don't have to apologize for your opinion about Crosby, St. C. That's all the rest of us are offering.<br /><br />Speaking of which, Nash is a co-founder of the Hollies and was actually a pretty important component to CS&N. He 'penned' a number of their songs like "Marrakesh Express", "Teach Your Children" and "Our House". While we all have our favorites, Nash is far from talentless as is Crosby. Robert Chttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11931071604173368606noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-64637089702264194142016-12-25T09:27:24.610-05:002016-12-25T09:27:24.610-05:00I repeat lol. I think Graham Nash was the talentle...I repeat lol. I think Graham Nash was the talentless one in that trip. Crosby had a great voice and wrote some excellent songs. <br /><br />I just don't think he was a great musician when he started out with the Byrds. My comments were not to be taken as an insult to David Crosby. <br /><br />:)Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10291550902325920904noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-9568134851980098832016-12-25T06:57:21.715-05:002016-12-25T06:57:21.715-05:00"Traction in the rain" is such a beautif..."Traction in the rain" is such a beautiful song. So is "laughing" <br />Loganhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05317087119665050796noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-42521070496773164112016-12-24T23:24:30.779-05:002016-12-24T23:24:30.779-05:00brownrice, being released in February 1971, it rea...brownrice, being released in February 1971, it really comes at the tail-end of anything resembling the hippy, communal vibe .... just before the materialistic hedonism of the 70's came in and changed things. I can't even really think of another album that catches the same feel. A gem of the times. Zelda Formaldehydehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02858067536737717388noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-65065894609316414932016-12-24T18:24:52.730-05:002016-12-24T18:24:52.730-05:00...though admittedly it probably doesn't sound......though admittedly it probably doesn't sound that great through a headful of Coors...brownricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13464358994525566519noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-74092341123735758242016-12-24T08:17:56.559-05:002016-12-24T08:17:56.559-05:00Zelda Formaldehyde said...
David Crosby may have h...Zelda Formaldehyde said...<br />David Crosby may have had a personality that exceeded his talent, but If I Could Only Remember My Name is still one of the coolest albums ever.<br /><br />Yes... absolutely one of the all-time great albums... the perfect tail-end of a trip soundtrack as the dawn light paints mosaics on your eyelids. Wonderful stuff :-)brownricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13464358994525566519noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-15765464877792535832016-12-24T02:11:47.800-05:002016-12-24T02:11:47.800-05:00David Crosby may have had a personality that excee...David Crosby may have had a personality that exceeded his talent, but If I Could Only Remember My Name is still one of the coolest albums ever. Zelda Formaldehydehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02858067536737717388noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-47114256608123697702016-12-23T21:12:22.547-05:002016-12-23T21:12:22.547-05:00The wrecking crew put out a 4 cd set with several ...The wrecking crew put out a 4 cd set with several of the songs they played on. My favorite parts of the cd are the jokes they intermittently put in throughout the cd...the 4th is called crew cuts (recordings under their own name). It's pretty good.<br /><br />There are also two cds (not a set) titled bird parts and byrd parts 2. Rare recordings of members of the birds and people who have covered songs they have written...including Jackie DeShannon doing Splendor in the Grass with the Byrds doing the backing vocals, Johnny Rivers, Peter Fonda and even David Hemmings (blow up and he was in Eye of the Devil with Sharon Tate) covering a song written by Gene Clark.Lynnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04857339832418981386noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-41781797245615437512016-12-23T19:05:11.148-05:002016-12-23T19:05:11.148-05:00I think I figured out why Squeaky broke up with Mi...I think I figured out why Squeaky broke up with Mike Love: "Too much love sittin' in one place not doin' nothing." He was lazy.Mr. Humphrathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18206702171683458150noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-11399740945607367592016-12-23T18:11:21.319-05:002016-12-23T18:11:21.319-05:00Happy Holidays Lynn :) Thank you again- I got anot...Happy Holidays Lynn :) Thank you again- I got another name wrong lol<br /><br />we agree on some things and not on others and that is so good :)<br /><br /><br />Peace and love to you and yours too :)Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10291550902325920904noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-43983775598327282052016-12-23T17:03:52.042-05:002016-12-23T17:03:52.042-05:00And if you are on Bobby BeauSoleil's mailing l...And if you are on Bobby BeauSoleil's mailing list:<br /><br />Happy Yuletide<br /> <br />May the divine spark within guide you to the truth of your unique existence.<br /> <br />Peace.<br /> <br />Peace.<br /> <br />Peace.<br /> <br /> <br />Lynnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04857339832418981386noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-55825101020682653472016-12-23T16:58:46.914-05:002016-12-23T16:58:46.914-05:00Top five (typo)... Happy merry holidays!Top five (typo)... Happy merry holidays!Lynnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04857339832418981386noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-65116093803323465792016-12-23T16:57:34.188-05:002016-12-23T16:57:34.188-05:00St., loved your depiction of Mike Love....his flai...St., loved your depiction of Mike Love....his flailing around is just plain creepy...not to mention the comb over. I refuse to read his book. He thought Good Vibrations wasn't a good song...too trippy for the beach boys. I love that song and their performance on ed Sullivan singing it.<br /><br />Michael Clarke was the drummer in the Byrds, not Gene. Gene was in the new Christie minstrels and mcguinn in the chad Mitchell trio (which John Denver was also a member of). Gene could actually play guitar but Crosby heckled him so bad, that he actually started to doubt himself and let Crosby take over the playing.<br /><br />Graham Nash is my least favorite in CSN...i hated his book.<br /><br />The Springfield did a mini tour several years ago before Neil pulled the plug on it. It was amazing. One of my tip five favorite concerts ever. Lynnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04857339832418981386noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-52672924593291538002016-12-23T14:27:35.701-05:002016-12-23T14:27:35.701-05:00Deb S. that's a hilarious story. Kind of cool ...Deb S. that's a hilarious story. Kind of cool that Dylan let her do it.Mr. Humphrathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18206702171683458150noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-7089114130555566852016-12-23T12:33:45.978-05:002016-12-23T12:33:45.978-05:00I should have added that this was my first time se...I should have added that this was my first time seeing him. Maybe had I heard all my favorites live before it would have been novel lol<br /><br />But I had to go home and look up what I had just heard lomAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10291550902325920904noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-12040443231111016192016-12-23T12:29:36.025-05:002016-12-23T12:29:36.025-05:00I've seen Dylan, too. I enjoyed going but due...I've seen Dylan, too. I enjoyed going but due to him notoriously never singing/playing a song the same way twice found it hard to sing along (in my head). You never want to hear me sing out loud, I can't carry a tune to save my soul.<br /><br />There was a really drunk woman who managed to make it up on stage and tried to stand next to Bob and sing with him. He stepped aside and let her take the mic, told her to have at it. She was so drunk that she kept repeating the same verse over and over. It was painful and it seemed to go on forever, had the crowd had tomatoes or something to throw, they would have. Bob allowed her to thoroughly embarrass herself. Finally they hauled her off and the concert went on as if nothing had happened!!<br /><br />The concert was in '92. http://www.setlist.fm/setlist/bob-dylan/1992/jt-grace-pavilion-santa-rosa-ca-1bd5e980.htmlDebShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17093893870315262396noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-77127020336809964542016-12-23T10:23:26.276-05:002016-12-23T10:23:26.276-05:00I saw Dylan with a 4 piece band, including G.E. Sm...I saw Dylan with a 4 piece band, including G.E. Smith, at the Greek Theater in Berkeley in 89 and boy did I love it. No, he never said a word to the audience but the songs were great, especially when he played 3 of the 4 songs from the B side of Bringing It All Back Home in reverse order: It's All Over Now, Baby Blue; Gates Of Eden; and Mr. Tambourine Man. (he didn't play It's Alright, Ma)<br />Another time I saw him at the Shoreline Ampitheater in Mt. View across the bay. He had a bigger band and Tom Petty was on the ticket too. It was 1986. It was good, but I preferred the more intimate concert.<br />Saint I don't think I would have cared for the Dylan show you saw either.Mr. Humphrathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18206702171683458150noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-54432341526203788262016-12-23T10:21:17.627-05:002016-12-23T10:21:17.627-05:00But I don't even want to get started on Eddie ...But I don't even want to get started on Eddie and the Cruisers at the Holidays. That music makes me break out the tequila and go to the Dark Side ;)Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10291550902325920904noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-3214038852261179552016-12-23T09:55:36.928-05:002016-12-23T09:55:36.928-05:00Beaver Brown lolBeaver Brown lolAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10291550902325920904noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-84583237917482141972016-12-23T09:03:57.489-05:002016-12-23T09:03:57.489-05:00Charlie Sexton? I am not Impressed
Was Robbie Ne...<br />Charlie Sexton? <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JOJWVB2sYpo" rel="nofollow">I am not Impressed</a> <br /><br />Was Robbie Nevil the opening act? Or was it Lone Justice? Or The Fabulous Thunderbirds? Or John Cafferty's Beaver Blues Band? Or Billy Vera and the Beaters (that song from "Family Ties" where Michael J Fox breaks up with Courtney Cox). Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com