tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post9187865368034591258..comments2024-03-28T23:53:16.262-04:00Comments on The Manson Family Blog: The Agony and the Ecstasy - A Rare Interview with Christopher JonesMatthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06766282574442161929noreply@blogger.comBlogger75125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-36095117961814122342020-02-22T19:00:01.815-05:002020-02-22T19:00:01.815-05:00The devil quote is wrong. Christopher Jones is a l...The devil quote is wrong. Christopher Jones is a liar. Sharon has been quoted for saying<br />"Everything that's realistic has some sort of ugliness in it. Even a flower is ugly when it wilts, a bird when it seeks its prey, the ocean when it becomes violent." Sapirstein https://www.blogger.com/profile/18227785031718856815noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-50366137196065546432018-03-05T11:30:08.129-05:002018-03-05T11:30:08.129-05:00I used to live with Chris,at the Chateau Marmont,a...I used to live with Chris,at the Chateau Marmont,along with my then friend Carrey Abernathy. I introduced her to him,..the biggest mistake. She took him for every penny he had.<br />I found him on Hollywood Blvd,in a fight.I pulled him away,and dragged him down the alleyway. Then I noticed his trousers were tore near the crotch,so I had to go to my pals and get a pair for him. I told him to stay and not go anywhere.He waited. <br />Then we moved in together.<br />I had to bathe him,because he wasnt himself anymore. He'd been injured in a car wreck and his mind hadnt returned to it's normal self.Eventually,it did though.This is was in the late 70's,early 80's. I cant remember what year it was. He disappeared and went to ground in a tiny forested spot near the Freeway,close to the Hollywood Bowl.There was a camp trainer inside the trees and he had it set up with a BBQ,and some chairs.<br />Chris was really a sweet guy.Soft spoken and gentle.<br />I wish now that I had been forward enough to take him up on his offer of intimacy,but I chickened out. I'd seen him nude,and lets just say he was rather impressive.In my case,intimidating. Lol. Perhaps Carrey wouldnt have done him so badly if I had agreed.<br />People read that she was this loving girlfriend.No,she wasnt.<br />I miss him even now,and will always remember him as a nice guy,and one fine looking man.WhiskeyRiverhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17383486991521699709noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-23876482577573974092017-01-06T22:14:43.915-05:002017-01-06T22:14:43.915-05:00From the looks of it Christopher Jones lives in a ...From the looks of it Christopher Jones lives in a delusional world! He never had any proof that this affair actually happened or any proof that he was the biological father of Susan Cabot son! As far as I'm concerned, he might have gotten his ideas about this suppose affair from Thomas Kiernan book on Roman Polanski, which I think Kiernan is also full of crap! Here's something I find weird, Susan Cabot never said who her his son's father was, Thomas mention some friend withe no name told him about this affair and no name of this person whom she had an affair with! I believe Jones knows what came from them, and he know both Susan or Sharon cant be here to dispute these claims, so decided he fill in the claims to make a name for himself for attention and money! He was known for of being a liar and an manipulator, Susan Strasberg said it herself! The way describe about affair with Sharon, if you compare both 1996 and 2007 articles, he make conflicting statements in both of them, and how he mentioned about her is totally against her character! He also claimed woman took advantage of him? Olivia Hussey said on her Twitter page that he was a strange case! Face it Jones was manipulative son of the bitch. And he looks kinda looks like shit. And i do thank this Max Frost guy for posting this article! But i would also have to he making these story up about how he met Chris, Rudi and Shelly. Where's the proof? Oh yeah! he posted this article in 2015, and all three of them are no longer with us. I would have to say, this Max Frost guy is like Jones, a liar, also a possibly a Manson fan in disguise just to make Sharon and the other victims look bad! He doesn't seem to be a blogger profile anymore! So i smell bullshit coming from his direction, i'm sure hes making his stories up, and i'm not be fooled! Now Shelly Winters did had many affairs and Jones knows that, but the neither lists of Winters affairs have Jones on them! The youngest to be rumored is Robert DeNiro! And in one article Winters also denies Jones being a stud service Winters! Speaking of denial. From what i also heard according to co-stars, Jones was a fucking asshole on the set of all last films he did in Europe, and Pia Dagermark on her the IMDB for Brief Season which was filmed in Rome said that he got sick, and the film had to stop production. So i totally don't believe he had an affair with Sharon, hes too out of her league, and im sure it was a busy time for her when filming 12+1 (which he says she filming Eye of the Devil) and i don't think waste time with a loser like Jones, especially while three months pregnant (which he said six weeks). And during the production of Ryan's Daughter, he was being a shit head again, and Sarah Miles knows what kind of a douchebag he is, they both met again in 1994, and he stated he think he was in love with Sharon, she doesn't even seem to believe either according to her autobiography. Jones claimed he victim during his career, and i don't believe his breakfast was drugged before the car wreck! I don't even think the film business, i think the film business didn't want anything else to do with him because he caused a lot of set backs during the productions, and they all started to see through him that he was risk! So roughly 25 years later he comes up with stories on why he left the business! Alright, i arrest my case, Christopher Jones was more likely a liar and asshole! But still RIP!jasondixonvgrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10701510995081937570noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-73044833024618926862016-03-17T15:36:01.819-04:002016-03-17T15:36:01.819-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.jasondixonvgrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10701510995081937570noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-18886488747536102312015-08-28T23:19:19.289-04:002015-08-28T23:19:19.289-04:00Thanks, Max. I appreciate your response.
I think ...<br />Thanks, Max. I appreciate your response.<br /><br />I think you're right about him fantasizing. I did a little more research and saw that he also put out a rather dubious list of 150 bi-sexual actors. He seems to think that everyone is gay or bi.<br /><br />On another note, it turns out that he's also the guy that Charles Manson wrote the letter to in which he outed a few famous Hollywood celebs. Perhaps Charlie was just reflecting him back at himself? : <br /><br /><br />http://www.mansonblog.com/2012/07/i-missed-his-heart-because-i-use-dick.html<br /><br /><br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-21152271324792208112015-08-28T21:13:58.111-04:002015-08-28T21:13:58.111-04:00Ziggy, that article (or chapter) seems like an alm...Ziggy, that article (or chapter) seems like an almost well disguised hit piece. Bill Dakota sounds like a pen name although it does sound familiar. <br /><br />He obviously knew him as he describes him quite well. And I remember the cork board above his bed at the nursing home with Susan's picture on it - so obviously he had visited him there.<br /><br />He talks about Chris being with Carrie and their son. The son is Chris Jr. And I know that relationship was extremely volitale. I'm pretty sure he told me at one point she knocked one of his teeth out with a punch.<br /><br />Who knows, maybe she drove him into a temporary phase of homosexuality (joking). He probably just hung out with him a lot and fantasized the rest.<br /><br />I'm guessing this all happened during the late '70s/early '80s.<br /><br />I'd love to see the Hollywood Star full page this Dakota wrote about the experience.Max Frosthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06931165830559683001noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-27745809249586400742015-08-28T20:14:44.044-04:002015-08-28T20:14:44.044-04:00Geezus H Christ on a popsicle stick...
Did you RE...Geezus H Christ on a popsicle stick...<br /><br />Did you READ it?<br /><br />It's not just a reference to AN affair. It's a reference to an affair under the following circumstances:<br /><br />1 - Sharon was in Rome<br /><br />2 - Roman was in London<br /><br />3 - Sharon was pregnant<br /><br />All three of those specifics were mentioned by Chris.<br /><br />If you don't believe it than you are believing that Chris, Rudi, the unnamed friend of Sharon, and others conspiratorially concocted this fictitious story of the affair.<br /><br />For what or who's benefit only you - or anyone else who doesn't wanna believe it - would know.Max Frosthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06931165830559683001noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-63016222004717933672015-08-28T19:41:34.977-04:002015-08-28T19:41:34.977-04:00Sorry Max there is a reference to AN affair but NO...Sorry Max there is a reference to AN affair but NO mention to THE affair in that book. None. Some idle speculation but no Christopher JonesColScotthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04198505620789173534noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-69961083230147221972015-08-28T17:36:16.035-04:002015-08-28T17:36:16.035-04:00Hi Max. I was reading this and wondered what you t...<br />Hi Max. I was reading this and wondered what you thought of it. It's written by someone named Bill Dakota. He claims to have had a relationship with Chris. Is he credible? <br /><br />http://the-gossip-columnist-80.blogspot.com/<br /><br /><br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-78471710149253705462015-08-28T13:24:56.028-04:002015-08-28T13:24:56.028-04:00You didn't, but my comment was an "in gen...You didn't, but my comment was an "in general" statement. This false belief that Sharon Tate was primarily in dark movies in which she was always a victim is constantly being perpetuated when in reality she was in one serious horror film.<br /><br />I'm too tired to go into the connection or lack thereof of Black Magic in regards to the Family. <br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-71219830467677450372015-08-28T11:18:59.528-04:002015-08-28T11:18:59.528-04:00De La Calandra: YOU are exposing yourself as a TR...De La Calandra: YOU are exposing yourself as a TROLL. I did NOT implicate Sharon Tate in "Black Magic" BUT the Manson Family. BIG difference to even those WHO believe in Helter Skelter. I did NOT mention "the DEVIL" either - but YOU make assumptions, WITHOUT consulting a dictionary (a book that reveals word meanings) as to what "black magic" is actually considered to be among the literate populus.<br /><br />In case YOU do NOT know how to read a dictionary: Magic is the use of "supernatural powers" and "black magic is the use of those powers for EVIL purposes. THUS, the use of supernatural powers to "cause" death is considered "black magic." OUR beloved judicial messiah Vince Bugliosi even included the "power" of an American President (G. Bush)to cause death WITHOUT firing a gun hinself - MURDER. AND thus, such an act can be considered involving "black magic."<br /><br />BUT of course, maybe YOU actually KNOW something I/WE don't. I'm NOT trying to ignite an arguement here, but SHOW how arguements are born throughout the web via the TROLLing nation.<br /><br />Robert Hendricksonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02880909248364077567noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-39484701459215627052015-08-28T01:05:06.039-04:002015-08-28T01:05:06.039-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-23880039744471345262015-08-28T00:16:42.419-04:002015-08-28T00:16:42.419-04:00Hold the fuckin' phone there, Col...
You neve...Hold the fuckin' phone there, Col...<br /><br />You never even met the guy and you feel confident enough to not only make those claims against him but also declare you don't believe they had the affair?<br /><br />Based on what? Your own gut feeling?<br /><br />As far as being a shit father...Jennifer is the only one who can claim that. And how much of that was due to Susan driving a wedge of distance between the two? I witnessed him literally doing NOTHING but being a GREAT father to his four youngest kids for the last 10-15 years of his life. That's what he devoted the rest of his life to - them. They were distraught at his funeral. Try telling them that he was a shit father.<br /><br />He wasn't an addict when I met him. If he could be classified as an addict it would only apply to a certain period or phase in his life. And so what? Does that magically render him any less credible? That's really a cheap shot calling someone an addict. Lots of very accomplished people and geniuses have been addicts. So what does that really say? It's like calling someone a manic depressive. It's a symptom of a much deeper pain inside. Does that pain make people worthless and easier to dismiss by default? That pain is what great art is born out of. Incidentally he was an incredible artist.<br /><br />A shit husband? Well yeah probably. He seems to admit that much. There's also two way streets in that realm. There are also shit wives out there. Again, what does that have to do with credibility?<br /><br />Deeply disturbed? Are you serious? Aren't we all deeply disturbed? Living in this upside down world full of lies and illusions how can anyone who's honest with themselves NOT be deeply disturbed on one level or another or many? Does that also qualify as a credibility issue?<br /><br />Does it really make sense to you to judge someone across the board, forever, for being real and human and making a lot of mistakes during the younger period of their life?<br /><br />As far as the affair, they absolutely DID have the affair. You react to it as though he was someone looking for a forum or spotlight. He wasn't. He didn't do any interviews until that one almost 30 fucking years after the fact, and even then Pamela had to practically force it out of him. I spent more than enough time with him to know he was being truthful. He wasn't the kind of guy to make things up. He didn't seek approval from anyone and didn't give a fuck what anyone thought of him. There aren't too many people like that left out there and those who do seek acceptance and approval can't comprehend the mindset of someone who doesn't.<br /><br />Oh, and don't forget Rudi witnessed the affair and had no problem substantiating it for me - as did Shelley. It was a non-event, non-issue. It was just KNOWN.<br /><br />Interestingly enough, there was a book on Roman published in 1979 in which there is a reference to the affair based on an unnamed friend of Sharon divulging a bit of vague info on it. So Chris coming forward almost 30 years later wasn't the first time it was mentioned. Never mind if it was written by a hack author or if the blog posting it is affiliated with Debra. Just put 2+2 together...<br /><br />Read the excerpt here:<br /><br />http://sensationalsharontate.blogspot.com/2010/03/more-on-sharons-supposed-affair-oscar.html?m=1<br /><br /><br />Max Frosthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06931165830559683001noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-8057962622348249792015-08-27T21:18:36.241-04:002015-08-27T21:18:36.241-04:00Debbie you are being too hard on your sister.Debbie you are being too hard on your sister.ColScotthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04198505620789173534noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-14779996669369152002015-08-27T18:24:55.067-04:002015-08-27T18:24:55.067-04:00If you took their marriage out of the context it&#...If you took their marriage out of the context it's been set in, what do you see? You see a little guy with a trophy wife and a trophy wife marrying herself into the movies. In Hollywood where couch test casting goes on, it's easier to just marry a big time director.<br /><br />...and the Satanism/Black Magic thing is bunk. Sharon did a horror film called Eye of the Devil and was in a vampire flick that was actually a comedy. The only interesting parrell I can find in regards to her comment on the Devil is a quote from ol' Charlie:<br /><br />"I never met a Devil that wanted to be seen"Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-37041033608179710832015-08-27T17:25:01.655-04:002015-08-27T17:25:01.655-04:00Dr. Jacques Honduras
http://waxidermy.com/images/...Dr. Jacques Honduras<br /><br />http://waxidermy.com/images/Jhondorus_detail.jpgAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-46728224521664422432015-08-27T14:43:50.790-04:002015-08-27T14:43:50.790-04:00Christopher Jones was a shit father, a shit husban...Christopher Jones was a shit father, a shit husband, an addict and deeply disturbed. I do not believe for a second that he had an affair with Sharon Tate while she was married to PolanskiColScotthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04198505620789173534noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-58423082205886673952015-08-27T13:09:06.062-04:002015-08-27T13:09:06.062-04:00Robert Hendrickson said...
"..Guys, I really ...Robert Hendrickson said...<br />"..Guys, I really appreciate the attention, BUT I have to know whether Polanski KNEW whether Sharon was having an affair with C. Jones."<br /><br />Mr H,<br /><br />Really good post, raising some very pertinent questions. Would people in the Polanski circle like Frykowski and Folger perhaps be passing back information re Sharon and Chris? Perhaps, if he knew they were carrying on together, RP might have thought that, well, it was OK for him to get together with Michelle Phillips. I think when a couple who are expecting their first child are both consorting with others, that it would be time to call it a day!<br /><br />Who was your mentor and Sharon's personal counsellor? Are you able to reveal that on a public blog?<br /><br />I believe that a whole bucketful of information was withheld from the American people. If the LAPD ever got round to releasing those tapes, you can bet your bottom Dollar that the tapes will be seriously edited.<br /><br /> Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-76724846956678052872015-08-27T04:24:44.816-04:002015-08-27T04:24:44.816-04:00Guys, I really appreciate the attention, BUT I hav...Guys, I really appreciate the attention, BUT I have to know whether Polanski KNEW whether Sharon was having an affair with C. Jones.<br /><br />The first question ANY homicide detective asks a surviving spouse is: were there ANY extramarital affairs ? AND for good reason.<br /><br />I was always pretty sure the "marriage" was over when Sharon left Europe to return to the States WITHOUT Polanski and my mentor and Sharon's personal counselor told ME there was "black magic" involved on the part of the Manson Family. NOT the hokey pokey theatrical stuff we are tantilized with, BUT the real deal!<br /><br />So the real question is: Just how much information has been withheld from the public. Just look at the TEX Watson audio tape issue. WHY won't the LAPD release that info ?<br /><br /><br />Robert Hendricksonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02880909248364077567noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-21154004181096108612015-08-26T17:32:15.926-04:002015-08-26T17:32:15.926-04:00No problem Max - as I said at the outset, fascinat...No problem Max - as I said at the outset, fascinating interview with an interesting character, thanks for sharing it :)MHNhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04765688604319832245noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-13150379772927049502015-08-26T15:14:40.852-04:002015-08-26T15:14:40.852-04:00MHN, I wasn't being touchy. I was just having ...MHN, I wasn't being touchy. I was just having a conversation and asking you a question. Can I do that? Is that ok?<br /><br />You are comparing Chris to Roman based some snippets of an interview 26 years later in a silly Hollywood magazine designed to render such an effect.<br /><br />As far as a marriage made in heaven...it's obvious now that Sharon and Roman's was a marriage made in hell...so, yeah, she would've been a lot better off with Chris and he would've been a lot better off with her. <br /><br />From everything he told me, the two of them were living out a dream-like fantasy when they were together - so one can speculate that things would've been different between those two than with his other relationships/affairs.Max Frosthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06931165830559683001noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-43895340121564647742015-08-26T12:24:19.822-04:002015-08-26T12:24:19.822-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-24013438102193786962015-08-26T12:19:34.048-04:002015-08-26T12:19:34.048-04:00MHN,
come on Michael, you know you've got ple...MHN,<br /><br />come on Michael, you know you've got plenty to say!!! Best wishes mate.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-67687187208149037402015-08-26T12:10:05.107-04:002015-08-26T12:10:05.107-04:00This is the bit where we sit around glancing nervo...This is the bit where we sit around glancing nervously at each other, pointing at our chest and silently mouthing "me?" at our friends across the room.MHNhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04765688604319832245noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-84356411957729567622015-08-26T10:49:54.747-04:002015-08-26T10:49:54.747-04:00Robert Hendrickson said:-
"...Plus, I'm ...Robert Hendrickson said:-<br /><br />"...Plus, I'm just trying to make a buck, so I can stay off welfare"<br /><br />Hi Mr H <br /><br />Come to Britain. We'd sincerely love to have you and we'd happily let you live off our very generous welfare benefits (free healthcare etc). In fact, if you applied to our UK National Lottery system, they would fund you to make documentaries. <br /><br />Lotsa love Robert.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com