tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post925080307535918197..comments2024-03-27T21:24:06.590-04:00Comments on The Manson Family Blog: Barker Ranch 10-10-69 ArrestsMatthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06766282574442161929noreply@blogger.comBlogger17125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-31051874731087176242022-10-21T13:09:21.873-04:002022-10-21T13:09:21.873-04:00The gunstore owner identified Manson as the one wh...The gunstore owner identified Manson as the one who bought the gun, but that somehow got changed to Bruce Davis and/or Danny DeCarlo buying the gun. Don't know how that happened...starviegohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11256800799989566468noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-79064242455767566502022-10-20T11:03:58.143-04:002022-10-20T11:03:58.143-04:00There was a hold on Manson. DOJ issued a violator&...There was a hold on Manson. DOJ issued a violator's warrant on 10/9/69 because at the time they thought Manson had purchased the Radom 9mm used at Hinman'scielodrivecomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03535091266830414644noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-69715349610686085372022-10-19T22:28:23.102-04:002022-10-19T22:28:23.102-04:00I meant Charles Manson, is who the were keeping un...I meant Charles Manson, is who the were keeping unlawfully.D.https://www.blogger.com/profile/00987799567880583276noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-6729619537551813322022-10-19T18:48:34.093-04:002022-10-19T18:48:34.093-04:00Kitty's father was in the Army when she was bo...Kitty's father was in the Army when she was born. He was stationed in Germany. I found a record of the Lutesinger family returning to the US May 11, 1955. So, I think she was probably born in Nuremberg, Germany. Her father was Lt. Bertram Charles Lutesinger.DebShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17093893870315262396noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-62850356895902949472022-10-19T17:40:03.140-04:002022-10-19T17:40:03.140-04:00Lutesinger gave her true name and (juvenile) age. ...Lutesinger gave her true name and (juvenile) age. But what about place of birth?<br /><br />Was Lutesinger born in Nuremberg, Germany; Manitou Springs, Colorado; or someplace else?<br />TabOrFrescahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18258408555227867498noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-40243543523100406262022-10-19T16:35:54.186-04:002022-10-19T16:35:54.186-04:00D, I'm sure you're correct about holding S...D, I'm sure you're correct about holding Scott Davis unlawfully. He was a juvenile and shouldn't have been in an adult jail. But apparently, he was unwilling to tell LE his true name and birth date. He probably never asked for an attorney or if he was offered one, he refused representation. I'm sure he had a whole pack of "jailhouse lawyers" telling what he should or shouldn't do and it turned out to be to his detriment.DebShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17093893870315262396noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-89923979544158751622022-10-19T12:33:48.412-04:002022-10-19T12:33:48.412-04:00Thanks for the research DebS !!
It's really a ...Thanks for the research DebS !!<br />It's really a job sorting through all these interchangeable aliases.Gorodishhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16554015159612108936noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-4391532401254582902022-10-19T01:14:21.784-04:002022-10-19T01:14:21.784-04:00Gorodish, I found this Social Security record. It ...Gorodish, I found this Social Security record. It matches up with Kenneth Brown that is on Deemer's list.<br /><br />Name: Kenneth R. Brown<br />Social Security Number: 530-42-5807<br />Birth Date: 12 Apr 1952<br />Issue Year: 1966<br />Issue State: Nevada<br />Last Residence: 14843, Hornell, Steuben, New York, USA<br />Death Date: 10 Mar 1999 DebShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17093893870315262396noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-74883713434833309082022-10-18T23:26:18.170-04:002022-10-18T23:26:18.170-04:00So who is this guy then? Maybe Kenneth Brown using...So who is this guy then? Maybe Kenneth Brown using Scott Bell Davis as an alias?<br /> <br /><a href="https://www.charlesmanson.com/family-members/kenneth-brown/" rel="nofollow">Kenneth Brown</a>Gorodishhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16554015159612108936noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-10464264564661734462022-10-18T18:49:47.595-04:002022-10-18T18:49:47.595-04:00A good lawyer could have gotten him out of Inyo. T...A good lawyer could have gotten him out of Inyo. They were holding him unlawfully because they had no evidence he personally stole or damaged anything. D.https://www.blogger.com/profile/00987799567880583276noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-42449427439696415852022-10-18T17:29:51.115-04:002022-10-18T17:29:51.115-04:00Lane was Scott Bell Davis. He was charged with 449...Lane was Scott Bell Davis. He was charged with 449a PC, stolen property, and 182 PC, conspiracy and overt act. He had his preliminary hearing 11-3-69, plead not guilty 11-12-69 and then was certified to juvenile court 12-9-69. He was placed on probation 3-13-70 and allowed to stay in his home.<br /><br />It took LE quite a bit of time to unravel who was who and whether or not they were a juvenile.DebShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17093893870315262396noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-49280613591157107742022-10-18T17:10:17.294-04:002022-10-18T17:10:17.294-04:00Blogger Buntline said...
Pitman borrowing the name...Blogger Buntline said...<br />Pitman borrowing the name of a Santa Monica High schoolmate.<br /><br />That made me think of hearing one of my schoolmates tell his buddy about his misadventures in another town. The only part I remember was, "I told them I was you".orwhuthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14689926449812436866noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-11335057761576607732022-10-18T15:41:53.588-04:002022-10-18T15:41:53.588-04:00I think that it's more likely that Scott Bell ...I think that it's more likely that Scott Bell Davis used the alias of Robert Ivan Lane, because Davis exists whereas Lane doesn't. That said, he would have been 16 so I don't know why he wasn't listed as a juvenile. Might be more to the story.<br /><br />Bugliosi had Brown down as alias Scott Bell Davis, and Robert Ivan Lane as Soupspoon.<br /><br />Deemer has Robert Ivan Lane as Scott Bell Davis and also Soupspoon.<br />Buntlinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16249209390934035035noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-60254554031062434602022-10-18T14:30:52.127-04:002022-10-18T14:30:52.127-04:00So Robert Ivan Lane AKA "Soupspoon" used...So Robert Ivan Lane AKA "Soupspoon" used the alias Scotty Davis? Then Kenneth Brown, Zero Haught's buddy, who was arrested two days later with Manson et al., also has an alias of Scotty Davis? Man those aliases sure get confusing. <br /> Also, the Bausch & Lomb spotter scope was most likely the "spyglass" Manson stole from Terry Melcher's beach house. I believe Charlie sent a taunting message to Melcher thru someone about stealing it.Gorodishhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16554015159612108936noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-2203401250259269652022-10-18T09:27:12.503-04:002022-10-18T09:27:12.503-04:00Thanks TabThanks TabCieloDrive.comhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03772677089227025942noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-81660303698985148222022-10-17T13:23:13.335-04:002022-10-17T13:23:13.335-04:00Pitman borrowing the name of a Santa Monica High s...Pitman borrowing the name of a Santa Monica High schoolmate.Buntlinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16249209390934035035noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-4085898231161355282022-10-17T12:54:29.552-04:002022-10-17T12:54:29.552-04:00Thanks DebS for sharing these documents. For myse...Thanks DebS for sharing these documents. For myself they confirm my understanding of this day, but add a little more. <br /><br />I am eagerly waiting in anticipation for the reports for October 12 and beyond. Of the limited writings I have seen for this date, there is one conflict. One mentions Plumlee and the others don’t. <br /><br />At first glance there are 3 things that pop out as I browsed these documents.<br /><br />1. In the list of 14, there are 11 females listed. Lutesinger is tagged “WFJ” with the “J” probably designating “juvenile” so maybe it can be inferred that “WFJ” describes “White Female Juvenile”. 9 of the other females are tagged “WFA” which might describe “White Female Adult”. But LVH is tagged “WMA”. For the 3 males, two are tagged “WMA” but “Robert Ivan Lane” is tagged “FMA”.<br />2. There is a coincidence in that while “Robert Lane” is one of the males suspects, Schram lists her street address as “1920 Robert Lane”.<br />3. The 3 males have reports that mention enumerated arrest numbers. Grogan has “AR3292”, Mourglea has “AR3291”, and Lane has “AR3293”. If you look at the LADA link that follows, you can see Grogan’s mug with the number held by twine around his neck on page 284 (of BOX-47). Mourglea’s mug and number held by twine is on page 287 ( of BOX-47). I suspected this was Mourglea but this confirms it for me.<br /><br />http://www.cielodrive.com/manson-case-files/BOX-47.pdf<br /><br />Note: The “cielodrive” FB photos page has a clean picture of Grogan’s mug.<br /><br />second, if anyone knows how to contact “cielodrive.com”, please mention that under “The Family” that the “Read BIO” button for Sandra Good returns “File Not Found” because there is a spelling error to the “.php” file.<br /><br />http://www.cielodrive.com/sandra-goog.php<br /><br />Should be<br /><br />http://www.cielodrive.com/sandra-good.php<br /><br /><br /><br />TabOrFrescahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18258408555227867498noreply@blogger.com