Wow, I'm actually quite familiar with Wolf Creek Pass. Been there many times. Even crossed it once during a blizzard (at great peril, but needed to make it to Colorado Springs by the next day).
Breaker, Breaker, good buddy, I wasn't familiar with Wolf Creek Pass so, I looked it up. It seems that a song by the same name was written by C.W. McCall who also wrote Convoy. 10-4
I drove trailer truck, never made it west of the Mississippi though,
"Well my rig's a little old, But that don't mean she's slow. There's a flame from her stack, And the smoke's rolling black as coal. My hometown's coming in sight, If you think I'm happy your right. Six days on the road and I'm gonna make it home tonight."-Dave Dudley
Sunsett77, Since that song became popular, I have tried to remember whether I'd ever seen a flame coming from a stack and I can't. I don't even remember them from the days of dirty engines. Was the flame a real occurrence or just something made up for the song?
Stacks will flame if they have to much carbon build up and its not cleaned out. But if truck is used consistently the pressure from engine exhaust will usually keep it cleaned out enough.
Truckers often modify their engines, my uncle was a truck mechanic for a number of years.
He said the drivers constantly wanted him to "turn up" their trucks, bypass the governor, increase the fuel, install superchargers etc.
I don't think I've ever seen a stack "flaming" either. but I'm guessing that story probably came from incorrect fuel system modifications that caused unburned fuel to be blown out the stack and "flame".
This effect could be seen all the time on Nascar race engines before the recent change to "fuel injection", however it can still be seen occasionally.
Actually, the reality of trailer trucking is usually quite different than how it is described in song.
One night several of us were crawling up a hill about 5 mph. A driver came on the radio and summed up the reality of trucking pretty well: "first they give us tiny little trucks, then they cut 'em way back, then they pile a big load on the back, I might as well go out and hook onto it on my back".
That don't sound as cool though as barreling down the road in a convoy with the stack a'smokin and a'flamin, "so we crashed the gate, doing 98, I said let them truckers roll 10-4"
I thought I wanted to be a trucker in the late 80's and took a course. I got off on the wrong foot with one of the teachers. He told me that to make my first sharp turn I had to be going AT LEAST 10 MPH. I thought that was mighty fast but, he was the teacher so I did what he said and hung the trailer on a stop sign. He was so mad that I never told the jerk that he shouldn't say LEAST when he meant MOST. I passed the course but after experiencing that teacher I'd lost my enthusiasm and never drove a big truck again.
Orwhut, it is the gases that ignite the carbon buildup. This happens rarely in trucks. If you live near a harbor, you might notice on occassion tugboats (with diesel engines) doing what we call "pushing the wall" we nose the bow up to a pier and go full throttle for 30 minutes to clean out the stacks to prevent the carbon buildup. Diesel engines discharge alot of carbon, and can cause stack fires if not cleaned out periodically. In trucks due to pulling heavy loads and hard strain on the engines, it will typically clean out itself during normal operation.
Matt said... We work tirelessly to bring you these wonderful photos and what do we get in return as far as comments? Diesel smokestacks and carbon build up. lol!
Matt, I wanted to comment on how nice Kitty looked in the photo but, we men took a really bad bashing in a previous thread for noticing such things. When we can't talk about women we have to switch to engines. :-(
You guys can talk tits 'n ass all you like it will never bother me. I might even participate. Also, I found nothing offensive about the comments on the previous thread. I saw those as observations not judgement passing.
From what I've read on another site, apparently, Lutesinger was the original snitch. "Tired of Manson's death threats, Kathryn fled Spahn's Ranch on July 30th, 1969. She went directly to a nearby police station and reported her concerns about Manson, and then returned home to her parent's horse ranch."
Somehow I doubt Manson was aware Lutesinger was "expressing concerns" about him to the police 3 days after Gary Hinman's murder. I'm guessing that if Manson had known, "Kitty Lutesinger" wouldn't have been seen around Spahn Ranch anymore.
She did the same thing later. "On the night of October 9, 1969, Kitty and Stephanie Schram fled Barker Ranch. They eventually flagged down a passing police car, and asked for protection. Once again Lutesinger started voicing her concerns about Manson, and implicated Susan Atkins in the Hinman murder."
Manson's counter measures, wiping fingerprints, fake names, having everyone memorize a different story, hiding and destroying evidence etc. had been very successful until this time.
and yet she was on the sidewalk with the other wacko devotees. Bald too, wasn't she? and she wasn't the only one who "ratted" and came back - Watkins and others did so too. How crazy was that knowing Charlie's paranoia and revenge thirst. the "tribal pull" was indeed strong.
Matt, I wrote my old truck driving buddy asking about flame from the stack. After answering my question he went into a long story about hauling containers out of a plant in Trona on the edge of Death Valley. Even carbon build up has a Manson connection.
Lutesinger, such a beautiful and unusual old English name, surely she must have changed it, wonder what to? Well she has not changed her face yet, still a very comely woman there. And at least she is at Wolf Creek and not up Shit creek!
I've long had the impression that Kitty's only reason for hanging around the"family" was that she thought it might help to free Bobby or some how, get her closer to him. I'd think it took a lot of courage to go back to the group after snitching.
"Lutesinger, such a beautiful and unusual old English name"
"Kasabian is a common Armenian surname, originated from the Arabic word, Kasab, meaning a butcher or slaughterer, and suffix (ending) -ian."--Wikipedia
Matt said... We work tirelessly to bring you these wonderful photos and what do we get in return as far as comments? Diesel smokestacks and carbon build up. lol!
I was thinking the same thing. lol
orwhut said... Matt, I wrote my old truck driving buddy asking about flame from the stack. After answering my question he went into a long story about hauling containers out of a plant in Trona on the edge of Death Valley. Even carbon build up has a Manson connection.
I know exactly where you are talking about in Trona. We saw it when we were there. Creepy little town Trona is. And yes it is weird how Manson always comes to my mind like it did for you about Trona. When ever I see a Michigan Loader I think Charlie. When someone says "Nows the time" I always think to myself "for HeAlter Skelter?" lol
Thanx for the link purple, that's the first time I've ever listened to the band "Kasabian", at some point I'm going to bring myself to listen to "Marilyn Manson".
marilyn manson is really not that bad, the lyrics are great the music a little too loud. also lots charlie manson references in the lyrics. get mechanical animals it's their best cd as far as i am concerned.
Wow, I'm actually quite familiar with Wolf Creek Pass. Been there many times. Even crossed it once during a blizzard (at great peril, but needed to make it to Colorado Springs by the next day).
ReplyDeleteVery beautiful area and home of a ski resort.
Breaker, Breaker, good buddy,
ReplyDeleteI wasn't familiar with Wolf Creek Pass so, I looked it up. It seems that a song by the same name was written by C.W. McCall who also wrote Convoy.
10-4
I drove trailer truck, never made it west of the Mississippi though,
ReplyDelete"Well my rig's a little old,
But that don't mean she's slow.
There's a flame from her stack,
And the smoke's rolling black as coal.
My hometown's coming in sight,
If you think I'm happy your right.
Six days on the road and I'm gonna make it home tonight."-Dave Dudley
Sunsett77,
ReplyDeleteSince that song became popular, I have tried to remember whether I'd ever seen a flame coming from a stack and I can't. I don't even remember them from the days of dirty engines. Was the flame a real occurrence or just something made up for the song?
Stacks will flame if they have to much carbon build up and its not cleaned out. But if truck is used consistently the pressure from engine exhaust will usually keep it cleaned out enough.
ReplyDeleteIs it the carbon that's burning or does the hot carbon ignite the exhausted gasses?
ReplyDeleteTruckers often modify their engines, my uncle was a truck mechanic for a number of years.
ReplyDeleteHe said the drivers constantly wanted him to "turn up" their trucks, bypass the governor, increase the fuel, install superchargers etc.
I don't think I've ever seen a stack "flaming" either. but I'm guessing that story probably came from incorrect fuel system modifications that caused unburned fuel to be blown out the stack and "flame".
This effect could be seen all the time on Nascar race engines before the recent change to "fuel injection", however it can still be seen occasionally.
Thanks. I've been meaning to ask an old trucker friend about that but, never got around to it.
ReplyDeleteActually, the reality of trailer trucking is usually quite different than how it is described in song.
ReplyDeleteOne night several of us were crawling up a hill about 5 mph. A driver came on the radio and summed up the reality of trucking pretty well: "first they give us tiny little trucks, then they cut 'em way back, then they pile a big load on the back, I might as well go out and hook onto it on my back".
That don't sound as cool though as barreling down the road in a convoy with the stack a'smokin and a'flamin, "so we crashed the gate, doing 98, I said let them truckers roll 10-4"
I thought I wanted to be a trucker in the late 80's and took a course. I got off on the wrong foot with one of the teachers. He told me that to make my first sharp turn I had to be going AT LEAST 10 MPH. I thought that was mighty fast but, he was the teacher so I did what he said and hung the trailer on a stop sign. He was so mad that I never told the jerk that he shouldn't say LEAST when he meant MOST. I passed the course but after experiencing that teacher I'd lost my enthusiasm and never drove a big truck again.
ReplyDeleteOrwhut, it is the gases that ignite the carbon buildup. This happens rarely in trucks. If you live near a harbor, you might notice on occassion tugboats (with diesel engines) doing what we call "pushing the wall" we nose the bow up to a pier and go full throttle for 30 minutes to clean out the stacks to prevent the carbon buildup. Diesel engines discharge alot of carbon, and can cause stack fires if not cleaned out periodically. In trucks due to pulling heavy loads and hard strain on the engines, it will typically clean out itself during normal operation.
ReplyDeleteWe work tirelessly to bring you these wonderful photos and what do we get in return as far as comments? Diesel smokestacks and carbon build up. lol!
ReplyDeleteJesse,
ReplyDeleteThanks for explaining. This stuff fascinates me.
Harold
Matt said... We work tirelessly to bring you these wonderful photos and what do we get in return as far as comments? Diesel smokestacks and carbon build up. lol!
ReplyDeleteMatt,
I wanted to comment on how nice Kitty looked in the photo but, we men took a really bad bashing in a previous thread for noticing such things. When we can't talk about women we have to switch to engines. :-(
Nice one, whut
ReplyDeleteYou guys can talk tits 'n ass all you like it will never bother me. I might even participate. Also, I found nothing offensive about the comments on the previous thread. I saw those as observations not judgement passing.
ReplyDeleteFrom what I've read on another site, apparently, Lutesinger was the original snitch. "Tired of Manson's death threats, Kathryn fled Spahn's Ranch on July 30th, 1969. She went directly to a nearby police station and reported her concerns about Manson, and then returned home to her parent's horse ranch."
ReplyDeleteSomehow I doubt Manson was aware Lutesinger was "expressing concerns" about him to the police 3 days after Gary Hinman's murder. I'm guessing that if Manson had known, "Kitty Lutesinger" wouldn't have been seen around Spahn Ranch anymore.
She did the same thing later. "On the night of October 9, 1969, Kitty and Stephanie Schram fled Barker Ranch. They eventually flagged down a passing police car, and asked for protection. Once again Lutesinger started voicing her concerns about Manson, and implicated Susan Atkins in the Hinman murder."
Manson's counter measures, wiping fingerprints, fake names, having everyone memorize a different story, hiding and destroying evidence etc. had been very successful until this time.
and yet she was on the sidewalk with the other wacko devotees. Bald too, wasn't she? and she wasn't the only one who "ratted" and came back - Watkins and others did so too. How crazy was that knowing Charlie's paranoia and revenge thirst. the "tribal pull" was indeed strong.
ReplyDeleteMatt,
ReplyDeleteI wrote my old truck driving buddy asking about flame from the stack. After answering my question he went into a long story about hauling containers out of a plant in Trona on the edge of Death Valley. Even carbon build up has a Manson connection.
Lutesinger, such a beautiful and unusual old English name, surely she must have changed it, wonder what to? Well she has not changed her face yet, still a very comely woman there. And at least she is at Wolf Creek and not up Shit creek!
ReplyDeleteI've long had the impression that Kitty's only reason for hanging around the"family" was that she thought it might help to free Bobby or some how, get her closer to him. I'd think it took a lot of courage to go back to the group after snitching.
ReplyDeletePURPLE said...
ReplyDelete"Lutesinger, such a beautiful and unusual old English name"
"Kasabian is a common Armenian surname, originated from the Arabic word, Kasab, meaning a butcher or slaughterer, and suffix (ending) -ian."--Wikipedia
Matt said...
ReplyDeleteWe work tirelessly to bring you these wonderful photos and what do we get in return as far as comments? Diesel smokestacks and carbon build up. lol!
I was thinking the same thing. lol
orwhut said...
Matt,
I wrote my old truck driving buddy asking about flame from the stack. After answering my question he went into a long story about hauling containers out of a plant in Trona on the edge of Death Valley. Even carbon build up has a Manson connection.
I know exactly where you are talking about in Trona. We saw it when we were there. Creepy little town Trona is. And yes it is weird how Manson always comes to my mind like it did for you about Trona.
When ever I see a Michigan Loader I think Charlie. When someone says
"Nows the time" I always think to myself "for HeAlter Skelter?" lol
Liz,
ReplyDeleteCharlie is like the desert sand. He blows into everything.
Sunset.
ReplyDeleteAh yes the fragrant Linda.
http://youtu.be/wKDBOB6UWKo
http://youtu.be/2C0OEVWKZv0
Thanx for the link purple, that's the first time I've ever listened to the band "Kasabian", at some point I'm going to bring myself to listen to "Marilyn Manson".
ReplyDeletemarilyn manson is really not that bad, the lyrics are great the music a little too loud. also lots charlie manson references in the lyrics. get mechanical animals it's their best cd as far as i am concerned.
ReplyDeleteI wonder if these old family members know that their photos end up on Manson websites?
ReplyDeletePatty wonders that too, Ann. However in a few instances, we know for sure that yes, they do know.
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