If you were taking bets in 69 as to the only ones having passed away by 2019 being Atkins and Manson (and Charlie not even gone 2 yrs) you'd have won alot of bets
If any of them had any repentance they would simply refuse their parole hearings and save the state the money of going through the whole charade, I think David Berkowitz does this in NY and if there's anything to respect about him it's that
This whole thing is ridiculous at this point. Keep recommending him only to turn him down. Same with Leslie & Bobby. Doesn't infringe upon my life either way honestly but it's annoying to have it circulating all the time.
Bruce did waive his parole hearing last year. The thing is, when they are granted parole and then turned down by the governor they are eligible for another hearing in a year.
Part of me thinks that the powers that be want to keep the "Manson Murders" alive and in the forefront for their own purposes.
Mon Durphy said: "that day he turned himself in tripping his balls off in late 70 must seem like 500 years ago"
Indeed.
I have always wondered whether they ever really sat with the fact that they were at the height of their youth and lost everything. When most people were about to launch a life, get a degree from college, drinking beer or smoking dope, getting a job, or painting or writing a song, finding love, then losing it and finding it again, writing poetry or whatever any of us did at age 21- they went to prison..forever...because of one man and one moment, one night, one day when they did what none of the rest of us would ever think about doing.
What a waste of a life.
What a terrible act they inflicted on someone for absolutely no reason.
I agree with everything you said except the "one man one night" statement, Tex and the girls may have thought Manson wanted them to do what they did but what they did was their own choice
beauders said... Does anyone know the state of Bruce Davis's health?
My understanding is that he has dementia. The details don't seem to be available.
Mon Durphy said... Very good point, never thought of it that way but even in 2019 this case has Political Football written all over it
My contention all along is that they have become political prisoners. CA Governors a have not had the guts to say, "I'm not going to be the one to have the stain of releasing the Manson Family on his record because I might want to run for national office some day". Instead we get lies like, "They still present a danger to society".
That DOES NOT mean that I am advocating for anyone's release. I do though think that the parole process is dysfunctional and needs to have truth and fairness to everyone involved. If you have to lie - it's broken.
I remember when I first really looked into this case at 16 I remember thinking that all of them would die in prison including Clem incidentally, I wasn't as aware of the game of politics then and honestly believed most people got into politics to improve life for the people they represent but even then I remember thinking no one would let them loose
I read in one article that Bruce has been in solitary confinement since April. I didn't understand exactly why until today when I learned a couple of things from someone who speaks with him.
Bruce began receiving threats from another prisoner. Apparently, someone in prison owed another prisoner money. The person who borrowed the money couldn't pay it back so the lender told the guy to threaten and, perhaps, harm Bruce as a payback for the debt. Bruce was put in solitary for his own protection.
Bruce will be transferred from San Luis Obispo to either San Quentin or Mule Creek in the near future so he can get out of solitary. It was explained to me that the reason for the move was because it's easier to move one person rather than the two or three who were perpetrating the threats.
You'd think with all the money that gets shoveled into the prison system they could build a 500 or 750 bed facility to house elderly over age 70 inmates, I'm not a fan of Bruce or what he did but keeping the elderly in the same housing as young, healthy, violent inmates is cruel and unusual, wasn't Manson attacked at Corcoran by that giant mid 30s psycho who killed the two women on a park trail a few years ago?
As far as I know, no state politician paid a price for the release of Clem (correct me if I'm wrong), so I don't see how anyone would pay a price 34 years later if Bruce were released now.
Zelda Formaldehyde said... As far as I know, no state politician paid a price for the release of Clem (correct me if I'm wrong), so I don't see how anyone would pay a price 34 years later if Bruce were released now.
Zelda, the law allowing the California governor to reverse a parole board's decision was not in effect when Grogan was paroled in November 1985, though that release was not announced to the public until May 1986.
The law allowing the governor to reverse a parole board's decision to release a prisoner was Proposition 89 passed by voters November 1988.
Originally the governor had 30 to decide whether or not to reverse, affirm or modify the parole board's decision. That part of the proposition has been changed to 120 days.
So, when Grogan was released there really was no politician that could have been hurt by letting him be released.
The 120 days is the max time BPH has to review the grant. After BPH complete their review, it's given to the Governor who has 30 days to something about it. Some of the recent articles have botched this up
Thanks Deb. I am reading the Shorty book and get more and more frustrated at the life lost and unsung. What a horrible feeling for him to be trapped in murder like he was. ALL Bruce says is he stabbed against his will. I might believe that had he not been a primary person in the Manson doc talking about lighting a spark and then appearing at the courthouse pre arrest. Not one of those incarcerated (not even LVH who I think should be released because of the law) has ever done any type of unrequired victim restitution. I think he should be released according to the law, but the thought of it just breaks my heart. Especially after reading Deb's book.
I wave at Davis every morning as I drive by his “house” and I shake my head every time in amazement at how one can do something incredibly stupid and antisocial as a young person, and waste your whole life “living” behind a fence.
Jenn said... ...I shake my head every time in amazement at how one can do something incredibly stupid and antisocial as a young person, and waste your whole life “living” behind a fence.
Those "kids" have spent their entire lives in prison. They wouldn't even know how to pump gas, use a drive-through, order off of Amazon or even how to start a new car. Their entire base of knowledge is how to live in prison.
It's hard to sympathize given what they did, but it's easy to empathize with anyone who has had no freedom or privacy for such a long time.
Damn, looks like the Grim Reaper is approaching, that day he turned himself in tripping his balls off in late 70 must seem like 500 years ago
ReplyDeleteIf you were taking bets in 69 as to the only ones having passed away by 2019 being Atkins and Manson (and Charlie not even gone 2 yrs) you'd have won alot of bets
ReplyDeleteIs there any point in this routine going on and on? The decision will get overturned by a politician. Legal precedents to hell.
ReplyDeleteIf any of them had any repentance they would simply refuse their parole hearings and save the state the money of going through the whole charade, I think David Berkowitz does this in NY and if there's anything to respect about him it's that
DeleteThis whole thing is ridiculous at this point. Keep recommending him only to turn him down. Same with Leslie & Bobby. Doesn't infringe upon my life either way honestly but it's annoying to have it circulating all the time.
ReplyDeleteBruce did waive his parole hearing last year. The thing is, when they are granted parole and then turned down by the governor they are eligible for another hearing in a year.
ReplyDeletePart of me thinks that the powers that be want to keep the "Manson Murders" alive and in the forefront for their own purposes.
Very good point, never thought of it that way but even in 2019 this case has Political Football written all over it
DeleteMon Durphy said: "that day he turned himself in tripping his balls off in late 70 must seem like 500 years ago"
ReplyDeleteIndeed.
I have always wondered whether they ever really sat with the fact that they were at the height of their youth and lost everything. When most people were about to launch a life, get a degree from college, drinking beer or smoking dope, getting a job, or painting or writing a song, finding love, then losing it and finding it again, writing poetry or whatever any of us did at age 21- they went to prison..forever...because of one man and one moment, one night, one day when they did what none of the rest of us would ever think about doing.
What a waste of a life.
What a terrible act they inflicted on someone for absolutely no reason.
I agree with everything you said except the "one man one night" statement, Tex and the girls may have thought Manson wanted them to do what they did but what they did was their own choice
DeleteAgreed in my early 20s some loser 34 year old doing life on installments couldn't convince me to kill a house full of people. Lsd or not
DeleteDoes anyone know the state of Bruce Davis's health?
ReplyDeletebeauders said...
ReplyDeleteDoes anyone know the state of Bruce Davis's health?
My understanding is that he has dementia. The details don't seem to be available.
Mon Durphy said...
Very good point, never thought of it that way but even in 2019 this case has Political Football written all over it
My contention all along is that they have become political prisoners. CA Governors a
have not had the guts to say, "I'm not going to be the one to have the stain of releasing the Manson Family on his record because I might want to run for national office some day". Instead we get lies like, "They still present a danger to society".
That DOES NOT mean that I am advocating for anyone's release. I do though think that the parole process is dysfunctional and needs to have truth and fairness to everyone involved. If you have to lie - it's broken.
I remember when I first really looked into this case at 16 I remember thinking that all of them would die in prison including Clem incidentally, I wasn't as aware of the game of politics then and honestly believed most people got into politics to improve life for the people they represent but even then I remember thinking no one would let them loose
DeletePer Beckman, Bruce's mind is fine. But he has emphysema and needs a new hip
ReplyDeleteWow, when I first saw Bruce's picture I thought Mike Love had gotten arrested.
ReplyDeleteI read in one article that Bruce has been in solitary confinement since April. I didn't understand exactly why until today when I learned a couple of things from someone who speaks with him.
ReplyDeleteBruce began receiving threats from another prisoner. Apparently, someone in prison owed another prisoner money. The person who borrowed the money couldn't pay it back so the lender told the guy to threaten and, perhaps, harm Bruce as a payback for the debt. Bruce was put in solitary for his own protection.
Bruce will be transferred from San Luis Obispo to either San Quentin or Mule Creek in the near future so he can get out of solitary. It was explained to me that the reason for the move was because it's easier to move one person rather than the two or three who were perpetrating the threats.
You'd think with all the money that gets shoveled into the prison system they could build a 500 or 750 bed facility to house elderly over age 70 inmates, I'm not a fan of Bruce or what he did but keeping the elderly in the same housing as young, healthy, violent inmates is cruel and unusual, wasn't Manson attacked at Corcoran by that giant mid 30s psycho who killed the two women on a park trail a few years ago?
DeleteAs far as I know, no state politician paid a price for the release of Clem (correct me if I'm wrong), so I don't see how anyone would pay a price 34 years later if Bruce were released now.
ReplyDeletewhat a creep he was and is.
ReplyDeleteZelda Formaldehyde said...
ReplyDeleteAs far as I know, no state politician paid a price for the release of Clem (correct me if I'm wrong), so I don't see how anyone would pay a price 34 years later if Bruce were released now.
Zelda, the law allowing the California governor to reverse a parole board's decision was not in effect when Grogan was paroled in November 1985, though that release was not announced to the public until May 1986.
The law allowing the governor to reverse a parole board's decision to release a prisoner was Proposition 89 passed by voters November 1988.
Originally the governor had 30 to decide whether or not to reverse, affirm or modify the parole board's decision. That part of the proposition has been changed to 120 days.
So, when Grogan was released there really was no politician that could have been hurt by letting him be released.
https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1988-10-28-mn-340-story.html
The 120 days is the max time BPH has to review the grant. After BPH complete their review, it's given to the Governor who has 30 days to something about it. Some of the recent articles have botched this up
ReplyDeleteDeb do you know did Mrs. Tate have a role in passing Prop 89?
ReplyDeletecielodrive, thanks for the clarification!
ReplyDeleteBeauders, I don't believe so.
Thanks for the clarification, Deb.
ReplyDeleteThanks Deb
ReplyDeleteThanks Deb. I am reading the Shorty book and get more and more frustrated at the life lost and unsung. What a horrible feeling for him to be trapped in murder like he was. ALL Bruce says is he stabbed against his will. I might believe that had he not been a primary person in the Manson doc talking about lighting a spark and then appearing at the courthouse pre arrest. Not one of those incarcerated (not even LVH who I think should be released because of the law) has ever done any type of unrequired victim restitution. I think he should be released according to the law, but the thought of it just breaks my heart. Especially after reading Deb's book.
ReplyDeleteI wave at Davis every morning as I drive by his “house” and I shake my head every time in amazement at how one can do something incredibly stupid and antisocial as a young person, and waste your whole life “living” behind a fence.
ReplyDeleteJenn said...
ReplyDelete...I shake my head every time in amazement at how one can do something incredibly stupid and antisocial as a young person, and waste your whole life “living” behind a fence.
Those "kids" have spent their entire lives in prison. They wouldn't even know how to pump gas, use a drive-through, order off of Amazon or even how to start a new car. Their entire base of knowledge is how to live in prison.
It's hard to sympathize given what they did, but it's easy to empathize with anyone who has had no freedom or privacy for such a long time.
They could move to Oregon, it's against the law for customers to pump their own gas, it has to be an employee of the gas station.
ReplyDeleteBlogger Unknown said...
ReplyDeleteAgreed in my early 20s some loser 34 year old doing life on installments couldn't convince me to kill a house full of people. Lsd or not
Only Bruce Davis was not involved in killing a house full of people.
"They could move to Oregon ...."
ReplyDeleteHeh.Some of the Family's past activities seem to be on vogue in Portland these days.
Zelda Portland is considered San Francisco’s naughty little sister by those in the know.
ReplyDeleteHe will never get out alive thank God
ReplyDeleteHas any CA governor ever agreed to release a parolee that is not a Mansonite? They essentially did get the death penalty.
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