The Bernard Crowe story looks very different when the surviving Sanders notes are placed alongside Crowe's own courtroom testimony.
The handwritten Sanders notes are an independent contemporaneous account concerning Crowe, while the trial transcript records what Crowe himself said under oath. They should not be treated as interchangeable sources—but together they illuminate some remarkable circumstances surrounding Crowe's role as a witness against Charles Manson.
At the center of it all is a threat.And, according to the Sanders notes, Crowe admitted that the threat was true.
That statement deserves careful attention.
Crowe and the Threat
The Sanders notes describe Crowe in connection with a threat against Manson and the "Manson family," including the threat that the entire family could be destroyed. Most importantly, the notes record that Crowe admitted the threat was true.
When questioned about the threatening words said over the telephone, Crowe acknowledged that he knew those words had been spoken. When asked whether he knew they had been uttered, his answer was unequivocal: “Oh, yes, certainly.”
Crowe testified that his own objective was to recover his money or the marijuana. When questioned about the discussion concerning wiping out the people at the ranch, he insisted that he did not approve of such a plan.
He said:
“I didn't approve of anything. I didn't say anything.”
He further explained that doing anything to anybody was not in his mind.
Elsewhere, when directly asked whether he approved of the threat, Crowe answered:
“Under no circumstances.”
And that is precisely what makes the record so interesting.
Crowe Didn't Want To Testify Against Manson.
According to the handwritten account, Crowe originally refused to testify against Manson.
The notes go further, stating that Crowe apparently felt guilty about testifying against Manson.
That is a striking detail.
The conventional image of a prosecution witness is someone eager to tell authorities what happened and help secure a conviction. The Sanders notes instead describe a man who apparently had serious reservations about becoming a witness against Manson.
That reluctance becomes even more significant when considered alongside Crowe's own testimony.
Crowe eventually took the witness stand—but the Sanders notes indicate that getting him there was not necessarily easy.
The Bullet In His Back
The Sanders notes also record an extraordinary detail concerning Crowe's physical condition.
Crowe had been shot, and the bullet remained in his back.
According to the notes, Aaron Stovitz offered Crowe the best medical attention available in an effort to have the bullet removed.
And even with that effort, the notes state that Crowe initially continued to refuse to testify.
Eventually, according to the Sanders account, Crowe was persuaded to testify.
The chronology is striking:
Crowe was shot.
A bullet remained in his back.
Efforts were made to obtain the best medical treatment to remove it.
Crowe initially refused to testify against Manson.
The Sanders notes say he felt guilty about testifying against Manson.
And ultimately, he became a witness.
Why did he become a witness? that will be coming in part 2. A hint is given in the documents above.
The $2,400 and the Marijuana
Crowe's courtroom testimony supplies the context for the confrontation.
The dispute involved $2,400 and marijuana. Crowe acknowledged that the $2,400 was his money, and his testimony repeatedly returned to the question of recovering either the money or the marijuana. It gives us Crowe's stated motive without having to speculate.
He wanted what he believed was owed to him.
Crowe Wanted to Protect His People
After the shooting, he explained that he did not want Rosina, Del and Steve unnecessarily dragged into the consequences. He testified that they had not committed the shooting and that he did not want them becoming entangled in the legal aftermath.
Whatever else may be said about Crowe, his testimony does not portray him as someone casually indifferent to what happened to those around him.
A Reluctant Witness With His Own Problems
There was another complication.
Crowe himself had legal problems.
During his testimony, questions were raised about his own criminal matters, and at one point he invoked his right against self-incrimination concerning a pending case.
Crowe was not entering the courtroom from a position of complete detachment.
Yet eventually he took the stand.
The Manson Identification
There is another important limitation.
Crowe's testimony does not provide an airtight basis for saying that he recognized Manson as the person with whom he spoke on the telephone.
The transcript indicates that Crowe did not know who the man on the telephone was at the time of the conversation. Manson was encountered afterward.
That means we should not turn Crowe's testimony into something it wasn't. Contrary to what Tex Watson said, We have no physical proof that T.J. know Crowe and that T.J. was in on the burn. Tex Watson is not the most reliable source of information.
The result is not a simple story.
It is a story about a drug burn, a threat, a shooting, a bullet, a reluctant witness, personal loyalties, legal complications and an admission that sits uneasily beside Crowe's courtroom denials of personal involvement.


22 comments:
So I have trouble reading sanskrit and, other than for a signature, don't cursively write but instead print.
On the first page does the last sentence say, "Stovitz made him testify" or "Show biz made him testify" or something else?
On the second page is it implied that Atkins and Krenwinkel said that they knew Crowe?
I believe he wrote "showbiz made him testify" and that will be coming up in the second part. The last sentence Sanders claims Bugliosi admitted to him that Crowe wanted the spotlight.
The part about Sadie and Pat. I'm not sure about. Sanders had and has the most horrendous handwriting.
The black muslims were protecting Charlie in the LA Jail. They may have approached Bernard Crowe and applied pressure against testifying.
That's a huge contradiction. The NOI (Black Muslims) do not particularly care for white people and their teaching is that they need to be eradicated. They wouldn't defend Manson at all. Manson heard these teaching in prison. It scared the hell out of him.
July 21st, 1970 news article
www.cielodrive.com/archive/tate-case-jury-complete-defense-calls-it-tragedy/
Hughes disputed that Manson was anti-black, saying that while he served as Manson’s attorney the defendant was “always well liked by blacks at the county jail and, in fact, the Muslim prisoners protected him.”
This is all the more curious when you consider that the plan was to blame the blacks for the crime. Or maybe they were simply rewarding Charlie for a job well done. A man who had completed his assigned mission.
I think the sentiment was he stuck it to the pigs
Technically he wasn't anti-black. Not all blacks people are members of the NOI (black Muslims) but black Muslims (Members of NOI) are anti-white. Just a few years later members of the NOI carried out the racially motivated Zebra Murders.
The NOI would be protect or help Manson in anyway. He was a "white devil" as far as they are concerned and if killed, one less "white devil" around.
If Charlie's father was 'colored,' maybe Charlie would have qualified.
--Helter Skelter, Vince Bugliosi, pg555
"Father: unknown. He is alleged to have been a colored cook by the name of Scott, with whom the boy's mother had been promiscuous at the time of pregnancy."
It's something you could explore but look who it came from. His book is filled with factual errors and he didn't care about them. He couldn't get Debra Tate's age right, Manson's height right, the quantity of drugs found at Cielo. Multiple factual errors in the first couple of pages. Too bad he wasn't born in Louisiana, where they used to list the fraction of 32.
Do we know that Crowe made the phone call to Spahn Ranch? I imagine he was recovering and someone else would make a call on his behalf, so Crowe would be relating second hand information about the wording of the call.
Also, I'm so happy to see James D. making use of Sanders' archive. I wish I could do that research. Please share whatever you can
We can clearly tell Manson had no "colored" blood. He wouldn't have been so "white" and his hair wouldn't have been as straight as it was. That's genetics.
That is true.
Rosina allegedly made the call, but according to CM and TJ Crowe was on the phone as far as the threat goes.
The next post is a transcript of a phone conversation with Crowe.
The NOI's official stance on race is rooted in its foundational 1930s doctrines, which explicitly prohibit racial mixing:
• The Story of Yakub: According to NOI doctrine, the original human race was Black, and the white race was created through a flawed genetic breeding experiment by a scientist named Yakub. Because white people are viewed in this theology as inherently separate from the divine nature of Black people, mixing the two lineages is doctrinally opposed.
• Prohibition on Intermarriage: The NOI's official platform, outlined in What the Muslims Want (published regularly in their newspaper, The Final Call), explicitly states: "We believe that intermarriage or race mixing should be prohibited."
Malcolm X was one of the very rare exceptions. He was considered a object of oppression. His mother was assaulted by a white man. CM wouldn't qualify.
James D. The Manson Archives said...
We can clearly tell Manson had no "colored" blood. He wouldn't have been so "white" and his hair wouldn't have been as straight as it was. That's genetics.
And we know nothing about the genetics of Charlie's paternal line. Why not?
Because if he was half black, you could tell he was mixed. Obama is half black, Malcom X is half black. Two examples. Manson would look like them skin and hair tone wise.
Now I'm going to give you another example. Here in Argentina, there have never been any laws in support of segregation nor have there been an any laws that are against interracial relationships or marriage unlike the US. When black people started to have children with non-blacks, the blackness faded generation to generation. While there is a black population here, it's mostly comprised of black people from Brazil. The others that are from the mixed relationships are almost white in pigmentation.
Also, Kentucky strictly enforced the Jim Crow laws until the mid 1960's.
It is pretty difficult to have any comment on this until part two has been aired.
I assume Crowe is dead??
Yes. By many years.
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