Monday, June 6, 2016

Stephanie Rowe then and now....


Stephanie Gale Rowe was born in Los Angeles March 23, 1950.  Paul Watkin's asserts in his book that Stephanie was Jewish and going by her mother's maiden name, I think he was right about that.



While with the Family she used the alias Suzanne Scott.  Stephanie was one of the Witches of Mendocino where she was arrested using her alias. 



She was also arrested with the Family at another time as there are two different mug shots of her.






Recently we were made aware of Stephanie's current photo and thought we would share it with you.  Though some don't like us doing it, it is one of our "trademark" practices.







31 comments:

orwhut said...

Still looking good after all these years.

Robert Hendrickson said...

"Dangerous Drugs" ????? No wonder the Indians lost the White and Red RACE War.

BUT if S. Rowe was Jewish, what did that MEAN back in the day ?

PAUL McCartney of Beatles fame just revealed that when HE was young he was a racist.

Obviously, HE isn't NOW, but does that mean HE incorporated "subliminal" racist messages into the lyrics of the Beatles music ? Because it is possible to incorporate such messages into a writing without even consciously realizing it, maybe the subtext of Helter Skelter (the song) really does conjure up THOUGHTS of a Black and White RACE War.

AND what about "Black Bird" or "Back in the USSR" ?

What about "Hey Jude" ? Jude and Jew sure are close - kind'a like Helter Skelter and Healter Skelter ? So what about Miss Rowe being Jewish and Charles Manson welcoming HER into the Family ?

HE's a "racist" RIGHT ? So sometimes it's good to examine the "actions" instead of JUST the "talk."

I THINK I hate politicians, BUT if "they" were to issue ME a check every month for just being ME, I would probably call 911 IF I saw one of THEM bleeding to death in the street. OR maybe NOT.

Sun King said...

Paul was dating a Jewish girl,Francie Schwartz during the time of the recording of the White Album and you can even see footage of her sitting at Paul's feet when he was recording Blackbird. She also sang backup vocal on Revolution 1. So I wouldn't put too much thought into Paul's comments of racism. I think any racism may have had more to do with Yoko.

DebS said...

Robert Hendrickson said...

HE's a "racist" RIGHT ? So sometimes it's good to examine the "actions" instead of JUST the "talk."

This is exactly why I mentioned that it appeared Stephanie was Jewish. Charlie did not seem to have a problem with anyone who was Jewish being associated with the Family. Stephanie had been with Manson and the group for a long time.

Mr. Humphrat said...

thanks Deb. What has been the way Mansonblog finds current photos? I know sometimes friends of the blog contribute, but is that they know someone who knows someone?

Panamint Patty said...

A new one for the wall, very nice Deb.

orwhut said...
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orwhut said...

I read somewhere that Linda McCartney was Jewish and Paul's children with her were were raised Jewish.

Matt said...

I believe it's true that LM was Jewish on both sides of her family. I don't know about how they raised their children.


Robert Hendrickson said...

PAUL McCartney specifically mentioned the BLACK issue and HIS recent comments should be read by EVERYONE.

WE are all brought-up to be prejudice in one form or another. To this day I cannot forget what a teacher said to an overweight girl in my junior high school science class.

My BEST friend growing up was Jewish and HE and I would Kid each other all the time. BUT it wasn't until I went into the Army that I began to understand how REAL prejudice is manipulated into hateful action.

A perfect example of REAL prejudice is "Give'em the RIGHT to vote, then send THEM off to WAR.

ColScott said...

Maybe if you read better Robert you would see he meant as a small child. Jesus

Robert C said...

Everyone is racist, bias, prejudice at times. Everyone. All it takes is a catalyst to draw it out.

And I've seen it just as prevalent in LA, Chicago and Boston as Nashville, Atlanta and Orlando. I'm not just talking about light on dark, I include dark on light too.

And if an illegal extraterrestrial space ship landed in the local school yard and green people with three heads each emerged the natural inclination by most would be to kill them.

Catherine Share has Jewish ancestry as well as do a few other Mansonites. If Charlie knew about or even cared, I think it had much more to do with how one looks with him than what one's blood lines were.

For example I'm tall, appliance white and when younger, blond, and fit right in standing on the prow of a Viking ship even though I have some Cherokee Indian blood lines. My maternal Grandfather, born in the very late 1800's, looked like a Cherokee and was called "Chief" by his childhood friends.

Me scalp 'em whitey. Wait a minute ... I am a whitey ! Or am I ? It's hard to say .....


Angela Ford said...

Do you guys still have the link for Paul's book? I was on here a few years ago (Indianmoon) and never finished reading it. Thanks.

Angela Ford said...

Do you guys still have the link for Paul's book? I was on here a few years ago (Indianmoon) and never finished reading it. Thanks.

grimtraveller said...

ColScott said...

he meant as a small child

And that's an important distinction.
It's worth pointing out that many Englishmen of Paul McCartney's generation were literally the first Englishmen that I'm aware of that actually venerated and openly admired Black people. In history, obviously there are abolitionists that spoke of all people being equal, but abolition of slavery didn't prevent British colonialism {which in my opinion was worse and had much further reaching effects} and interestingly, while we speak of abolitionists in a slavery sense, we don't in terms of colonialism.
But I digress.
When McCartney says that as a child he was inadvertently racist but didn't know it, he's actually wrong. He spoke in the language that was the language of the environment in which he was brought up. I don't know if this happens in the US of A but here in England, many English people {and in the main, it's men} overcompensate for the role England played in the slave trade and the establishment of colonies in Africa and Asia. There's often this over recognition of the evils of that period and it's corresponding effects. But I look at the Keith Richards, the Eric Claptons, the Dick Taylors, the Eric Burdons, the Pete Townshends, the Mick Jaggers, the Paul McCartneys etc that openly loved the music and covered the music and talked constantly about the art of Black artists and at every opportunity supported them on tours or had them play on their tours, shows and where they could TV appearances and would refuse to play to racially segregated audiences.
The Beatles first two LPs contain between them 12 cover versions, 10 of which were by Black artists {they went on to cover 7 more by Black artists on their further LPs and EPs}. On their second LP from late '63, three of the cover songs were by Motown artists. In a fanzine questionaire that autumn, they said Motown artists were among their favourites. The first Motown hit in the UK came in 1964 after 5 years of trying. Coincidence ?
That's veneration !
McCartney has said for many years that his bass playing arrived at the style it did due to Brian Wilson on one hand and James Jamerson, the Motown bassist on the other.
"Get back" was originally a satirical atom bomb directed at Enoch Powell, a politician over here that was fired from the shadow cabinet of the Conservative party for criticizing immigration from Commonwealth countries with his "rivers of blood" speech that has gone down in folklore. Macca went on to record the Wings LP "Band on the run" in Nigeria.
At every level you look, there's little {if anything at all} to support the charge or observation that McCartney was a racist. People spoke a certain way in the 40s and 50s but the children were largely ignorant of weightier matters and as they got a little older, they encountered Black people both through music and in actuality and to a large extent, a look at the life of someone like Paul McCartney provides an intriguing insight into how things have changed in England over half a century.

Panamint Patty said...

Angela, Paul's book is on the Colonel's site http://tatelabianca.blogspot.com/?m=1

Angela Ford said...

Thanks!!

orwhut said...

Did ya ever get half way finished reading something only to have someone snatch it away?

Panamint Patty said...

Whut lol

orwhut said...

Hi, Panamint Patty. I hate when that happens.

DebS said...

I'm sorry Orwhut! We have a new blogger who doesn't understand that he doesn't get to push the publish icon. The post will be back on Monday when it was scheduled to run.

orwhut said...

Thank you, Deb. I was just getting to the best part. :-)

Mr. Humphrat said...

I was happy to see the Col. posted something...will look forward to reading it.

ziggyosterberg said...


Along with Stephanie Rowe, a couple of the guys busted with the “Mendocino Witches” were also jewish - Peter Jason Kornbluth and Robert Michael Bomse.

I'd like to know how the calls to their parents went after the arrests.

"Ma, a funny thing happened on the way to the kibbutz. I joined a fakakta cult run by a meshuggah leader who hates jews. Can you and dad please come and bail me out before I get shtupped by a schwarze?"

grimtraveller said...

Robert Hendrickson said...

Obviously, HE isn't NOW, but does that mean HE incorporated "subliminal" racist messages into the lyrics of the Beatles music ? Because it is possible to incorporate such messages into a writing without even consciously realizing it

There are loads of subliminal messages in the lyrics of the 3 songwriting Beatles in the pre ~ "Rubber Soul" era but if there are any racist ones, you'll have to point them out because I can't think of even a line that I'd construe that way. And Rubber Soul marks the transition where they really consciously began putting themselves, lives and observations in their lyrics.
From a race perspective, if you take a song like "Obladi Oblada" it really is groundbreaking and far reaching in its insight & observation. Not only is the title a Yoruba {from Nigeria} phrase, the song itself is about a Black couple and their kids, a startling piece of social commentary shining a light into the nascent Black British experience in the light of Enoch Powell's infamous "rivers of blood" speech. No one in England was writing that kind of song in the 60s. Indeed virtually no one did on the UK scene until Black people in their early 20s in the late 70s and 80s started doing so.

maybe the subtext of Helter Skelter (the song) really does conjure up THOUGHTS of a Black and White RACE War

"Helter Skelter" is Paul McCartney's attempt to out~Who the Who and show the world that after all the talk of "Pepper" and it's artiness, the Beatles really could rock. It was also an attempt to show the world {and John Lennon} that John wasn't the only hard rocker in the band.
Lyrically, people have said for half a century that it's about "a ride in an amusement park" but it sounds like a coded reference to oral sex to me. Not that it's lyrically deep. Although I've always loved the line "you may be a lover but you ain't no dancer" the lyrics are surprisingly 'meh' for post '66 Beatles. It's always been the totality of the song that I like, one of my favourite songs.
That said, if you were going to put a revolutionary uprising into song sonically, "Helter Skelter" with it's raucous twin guitars, raw unsophisticated bass, insane backing vocals, untutored sax and trumpet, screams, pounded to within an inch of it's life drums and general aural madness would be it.

grimtraveller said...

Robert Hendrickson said...

AND what about "Black Bird" or "Back in the USSR" ?

"Back in the USSR" started as a jokey dig at the "I'm backing Britain" campaign that was around at the time after the £ was devalued by the guv'ment. The Beatles were pretty funny guys at times and all kinds of silly jokes would appear in their music alongside the serious social commentary.
But "Blackbird" is really the song on the White album that chimes with the Family's feelings about the uprising of Black people in the USA because that's essentially what it's about. If you were going to give an uprising/war a fancy name like "Armageddon," "D Day" or "Mau Mau" though, you couldn't exactly call it "Blackbird !" "Helter Skelter" sounds so much cooler, saturated in unpredictable mystery and uprisey.

What about "Hey Jude" ? Jude and Jew sure are close - kind'a like Helter Skelter and Healter Skelter ?

Interestingly, back in '68 when "Hey Jude" was released, there were actually those that took it as some kind of anti Jewish rant. Rather like Black people and Americans, Jewish people played quite an important role {for better and worse} in the Beatles' story. It's rumoured that in the runout backing vocals of "Baby, you're a rich man" where the band sing "Baby, you're a rich man too" that Lennon is actually singing "Baby, you're a rich fag Jew" as a harmless dig at their then manager Brian Epstein {who was rich, gay and Jewish}. Given that Lennon later admitted that during the middle 8 backing vocal in the song "Girl" they were singing "tit tit tit...." which is the kind of thing that would crack up naughty English schoolboys {my friends and I used to laugh and joke about tits long before I ever heard the Beatles}, it's not surprising that such rumours abounded, nor is it surprising that fans, admirers and obsessives alike gleaned all kinds of messages from their lyrics. They've all admitted putting messages in a number of songs, but they never liked getting called out on it when people took it to lengths they hadn't intended. But then they'd confuse the issue further by telling people that they should come up with their own interpretations of their lyrics.
For the record, "Hey Jude" started off as a song to Lennon's son Julian who was only 5 when his parents were divorcing and Paul was trying to encourage him, "take a sad song and make it better" being his way of saying "make the best of it." Ironically, Lennon always heard it as a song to him, McCartney giving his blessing to his relationship with Yoko Ono, which is ironic, given McCartney's feelings towards her in 1968 !

grimtraveller said...

orwhut said...

Did ya ever get half way finished reading something only to have someone snatch it away?

Let anyone just try !

prefeteria said...

To amplify what grimtraveller said, an early version of Get Back is known as No Pakistanis. You can read about it....and you can listen to it...there's a good reason it's not been released! Too many people wouldn't get the satire or social commentary as it related to the times.

Sam Smith said...

Definitely not one of Charlie's front street girls.

chatsworth charlie said...

Grim can see for miles.....AND he has blistas on his fingas!

chatsworth charlie said...

......from typing


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