Goodbye Helter Skelter Podcast Episode 9

George Stimson posted a new episode of his Goodbye Helter Skelter podcast this week. 

One thing I like about Stimson is he doesn't go out and attempt to recruit every new person who shows up in Manson with a platform and superciliously woo them into believing gobs of uncheckable facts via Messenger & etc. while also calling every skeptic divisive, toxic, and dumb.  

I get the feeling Stimson believes he can sell his work on its own merit. And of course he's from Ohio and gets bonus points there. My Manson scene people rankings if I ever made them would be every researcher from Ohio ever except Billy's girl, followed by Max Frost, possibly tied with Max Frost, followed by the rest of you hoi polloi. 

Basic jealousies of California people and other folks who don't have cornfield back yards and swampy woods as scenery fuel my pretend ranking so don't get all offended and set me straight down below. A lot of me wishes he was you. It's true. 

Mental health is important and I think we should share here since we're all trapped in the same submarine. Oh, I know. Some of you newer folks are going around announcing your upcoming exit with your naked father. Pardon my yawns but you just don't know you've checked into the Hotel California yet. 

While I indeed have a strong feeling times are a-Changin as people become more savvy online, three authors continue to somewhat dominate the current Manson book scene. Looking at that group, and even though Stimson gets the most derision from noobs, teamists, and the lightly informed, at least imo, he is the least far out there. Hugely. 

Not that my votes matter, I am a noob myself within the broader scope. But I'm beginning to believe George in principal. However, I'm not sure someone could convince even one of my hound dogs that Linda Kasabian was the mastermind behind the (I hate to say it) immature and kinda moronic plan to free Bobby. 

If you also don't believe Kasabian came up with the plan, might you have a likelier scenario? 

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*Writers who claim they have secret info from secret sources they can't reveal are lying to you in an attempt to separate you from your duckets. It's not too late to wake up and help increase the general knowledge of the Manson milieu. Stop wasting your time watching and listening. Go look things up for yourself. 

** Btw, dox this. 

I still have your folders...+ggw

Let's Talk Stimson

My dear neighbor, Tobias, mentioned in another thread that a new episode was posted to George Stimson's Goodbye Helter Skelter Youtube channel. I thought I'd drop a link and see if anyone wants to share their exegesis with me.  

goodbyehelterskelter.com

The Goodbye Helter Skelter Podcast Episode #7

George Stimson posted a new video last week, The Murder of Donald "Shorty" Shea. Above is Donald Jerome Shea on the 1940 census with his family. First grade. Probably still smiled in school photos. The world hadn't had a ton of time to chew him up and spit him out yet. 

Good, bad, whatever. Every direction you turn in this milieu is filled with heartbreak. The bad guys are bad. The good guys are bad. Everyone is bad. 

Bruce Davis claims in a clip from a parole hearing that Tex Watson asked/told him to join in the killing of Shea. According to Davis, Bill Vance was present when Tex said this but decided not to take part in the murder. Instead, he stepped over to the canteen for the ice cream Charlie always talked about. 

You know the story. Shorty is driving. "Hey, pull over." Clem hits him with a wrench. BOOM! Tex and Clem drag dazed Shorty from the car. Charlie arrives in another car with a machete. 

Bruce "touched Shea's neck with the machete" but "couldn't do what he (Charlie) wanted me to do." Always willing to compromise, Bruce sliced Shea from his armpit to his collar bone. 

Charlie's version of events is Shorty was a big dude, a bully, and he was pushing Clem and someone else around. In a clip Stimson included from Manson's 1992 parole hearing, Stephen Kay (from his mother) has the board ask Charlie about his role in Shea's murder. Consistent in his refusal to to acknowledge California's conspiracy and aiding and abetting laws, in my opinion because of his mental illness, Charlie places himself at the scene and admits to rendering Shea immobile. 

"I'm gonna show you kids how to do this one time. And then don't invoke me to no violence anymore." 

"And uh I moved on Shorty and I put him in a situation where he couldn't move. And then I said, now can you understand what I'm saying to you? And he said yeah. And I stepped up on the highway and hitchhiked a ride and about three, four minutes later somebody stabbed him, and he was stabbed to death and he was killed." 

Inaudible from board. 

Charlie again. "Now, wait a minute. Anybody that knows anything about combat knows that when you go into a combat situation and you're on the line with something, that line can mean your life or your death. If you're on the line of life and death and you're gone and you're up on another line that other reality is a completely different reality -- it hasn't got anything to do with the other side of that line. I was on that side of the line and it was a violent situation and I did deal with it and I put it into where it was -- let me say this, there's only one way I can explain it...The Duke in the joint is a guy that can fight with his fists. The Cou..."

Board begins to interrupt. 

Manson stops them. "Wait a minute. Let me explain this. This will explain it. The Count is somebody who don't fight with his fists. He fights with his mind. He sets up on top of the count when the count is clear, he runs the radio. And the Duke does all the physical things like the first cop does his level, then the sergeant..."

"Mr. Manson..."

"I can't explain it to you, man. It don't have a yes or no."

"The question was did you kill Shorty Shea?"

"No no no. I didn't have anything..."

"You didn't personally kill Shorty Shea?"

"Not personally, no."

"Did you order him to be killed?" 

"No. It was a fight, man. It was uh..."

"Did you order him to be killed?"

"No."

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I've been reviewing Charlie's medical reports the last several days. Did you know certain doctors were against moving Manson to a hospital facility for decades because they claimed Charlie was faking or exaggerating his schizophrenia? 

This was supposed to be Manson at his best and he acts bonkers. There's clearly a problem. His freedom was on the line but not really. Charlie, Kay, and the Board all knew this was a simple parading of a crazy man before a laughing public. 

Sometimes, I struggle to see how we've advanced as race beyond Hammurabi. At least we've stopped feeding delusional people to lions, tigers, and bears for sport. Our dark amusements come from mocking the insane via YouTube these days. 

Oh well. The gang did what they did and life comes with consequences even when you think you live in a different reality. Word to the wise. Don't kill someone when you're mentally ill. We'll poke sharpened sticks through the bars of your cell and delight in watching you yelp until the day you die. 

*Steps down from soapbox. 

Anyway. What'd ya think of the new Stimson? +ggw