Friday, May 20, 2011

More on the Stubbs Murder

A friend of the blog recently sent in the following photos of Olancha, CA that are relevant to the Karl Stubbs murder case. Below is Karl's house in which he was robbed and beaten: The store where poor old Karl was shopping that day in November of 1968 when he was spotted by some hippies (two girls and two boys) and followed home. Why, it's the Fresh Jerky Stand near the intersection of 190 and 395!: Looking towards the Stubbs residence from the Fresh Jerky stand. The house is visible through the trees in the center of the photo.





Wednesday, May 18, 2011

And in other news...



Rumor also has it (because Patty and Liz are starting that rumor right now) that Tex will be playing Dr.Spock in the newest Star Trek Movie. It will be titled "The Final Frontera". The first scene features The Starship Enterprise hovering over The California Institute for Women while Scotty (played by Bruce Davis) prepares to beam up Leslie and Katie. And then...

PS: Hi Matt! See what happens when you leave us alone?






Eyes of a Dreamer

I am very curious about the five movies related to The Family that are rumored to be in the works. I think I did a fair enough job interviewing Susanna about the 'Manson Girls'.  I just sent her the latest round of questions and will have an up-date soon.

Next up, I think, should be 'Eyes of a Dreamer,' since I could only find one article with any kind of description of the movie:
"The movie follows the Manson Family through their trail of carnage." That's it. 

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Tyler Shields, the producer of "Eyes of a Dreamer," has granted us an interview! I am ready for any questions you would like me to ask him, my lovelies.

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Lindsay Lohan rumored to play Sharon Tate.





Marilyn Manson to portray Tex.





As well as producing, Tyler Shields will be playing the
role of Charles Manson.

Get those questions rolling!






Monday, May 16, 2011

Olancha

Above: Olancha, CA in the 1940's

Item Two that was lost, reprinted for your enjoyment: (cached version available at http://www.zimbio.com/member/eviliz/articles/i6aVXZXjLRG/Charles+TexWatson+identified+1968+murder)
From Giovanni Di Stefano's site, Studio Legale (http://www.studiolegaleinternazionale.com), a portion of the correspondence between Di Stefano and Barack Obama regarding the murder of Karl Stubbs:

"Tex Watson was seen following a man named Karl Stubbs to his house and that man was later found dead on 9/15/1968 in Olancha, California. This the verbatim statement from the California Police Officer as below:

“I have another murder that I want to tell you about. The victim is an 80 year old man named Karl Stubbs who was killed November 15, 1968 in Olancha, Ca., almost a year before Tate/LaBianca/Hinman/Shea. A witness identified Tex Watson in 1970. There were also two unknown girls there when Karl was beaten. The murder was not followed up on. Why? Because Charlie was nowhere near Olancha then and it would show that Tex is the serial killer. There is no way the Bug could have convinced the jury that he had total mind control on everyone back in 1968!

I spoke to the witness that lived behind Karl. She told me that Karl crawled to her trailer and told her husband that there was a boy and two girls that came in his house demanding money. Every time the boy would kick him in the head the girls would laugh. The witness said that Karl was totally lucid but he could not see. He died hours later. A year later, Tex Watson confessed the Tate/LaBianca murders to Diane Lake while there were in Olancha. Olancha is the gateway to the Barker Ranch via Hwy 190.

The case was investigated by the California Department of Justice. Tom interviewed the investigator who said that the investigation "fell through the cracks". It was not until Tex was finally extradited from Texas, after everyone else was tried, that the clerk at the store recognized Tex on TV as one of the kids that followed Karl home from the store. It is unknown if this was ever reported to Law Enforcement.

To this day, DOJ will not do anything with this case. (I have talked with them). Why not?????
It would show that Tex was killing people almost a year before, independently on his own, as well as two of the girls. That would not support the Bug's Helter Mind Control/Helter Skelter theory.

Olancha is a very small town. Gas Station, Store and one restaurant. About 500 people scattered over many square miles on ranches. It was not local kids. The Hannum Ranch is in Olancha. David Hannum worked at the Spahn Ranch in 1969 and the family used his mother's ranch in Olancha to park a semi trailer full of supplies and use it as a base.”






Missing Items!



So, Patty does not think that Blogger will ever restore the two posts that were lost. If they do, Patty will personally mail them a nice port wine cheeseball and some summer sausage. Maybe some Ritz crackers, too.

First item of business: Robert Hendrickson. Matt wrote on May 12th (cached version available at http://www.zimbio.com/member/eviliz/articles/P47wcpmtLiw/Question+Robert+Hendrickson+Readers):
"Robert Hendrickson has posed this question to the readers of Eviliz.com. I think it is a great one. Your input should be equally interesting:


This whole "Where are they now"? theme, has always puzzled me. The Family stressed the importance of always living in the NOW. Of course, that is a significant clue related to the MANSON mystique. If you could explain to me how you and your audience connect "then" to "now" mentally, I would appreciate that greatly. In many ways, for me, "then" is still "now". I would love to hear your website fans explain how THEY connect 40 years ago with today.


You were saying...






Chuckleberry

Chuck Lovett (The Chuckleberry)




Chuck Lovett (2011)
click on pics to enlarge


Chuck Lovett (1970)






Sunday, May 15, 2011

More on The Spiral Staircase

The following is a research project done on the house known to us as The Spiral Staircase by our official Paparazzi, Ken. The first two photos are historical records, the second two are his.


There isn't a lot of info about The Spiral Staircase out there and what is, is mostly speculation. Through several years of research, there have been some discrepancies and some explanations found. On some websites, it is said that The Spiral Staircase was a two story Victorian that had slide off it's foundation. It is said that only the second story was used due to the first floor being full of sand. It being the only two story structure is also something that is also mentioned.

Well, there were no homes in the area called lower Topanga (aka The Snake Pit) built in the 1880's or 90's. This removes the possibility that The Spiral Staircase was a Victorian. After searching the Santa Monica Historical website, this image was found. It shows a two story Dutch Colonial Revival home in the exact location as where The Spiral Staircase was. Quite often, Dutch Colonial style homes are referred to as being Victorian because it best suits it if one doesn't know architecture. This image is pre 1933.


Building a house in a flood basin isn't always the best idea. This image helps to explain the house falling off it's foundation and why the first floor was full of sand. The Spiral Staircase was demolished in 1968 and this image might explain why. In 1968, due to heavy rains, there was heavy flooding that occurred in the Lower Topanga area. This probably is what brought an end to The Spiral Staircase. This image is of the same period that the family would have frequented the area and gives a good picture of what The Snake Pit looked like. The Spiral Staircase would of been behind the hill, to the left of the Palm trees in the upper left corner.

Note - The house in the lower left corner is the house that Clem, Linda and Sadie visited after leaving Saladin Nader's apartment.


Ken's recent image of where The Spiral Staircase was shows all that's left. A couple of cobble stone retaining walls and a few park benches.

Note - This is where Charles Melton's camp site was that Linda Kasabian took the $5,000. This is also where Tex says he and Charlie first listened to The White Albun.


The state started the Revegetation and Restoration Project in the Lower Topanga area and on Feb. 14, 2006, the last of the residents of what was known as The Snake Pit were evicted. The State set aside three houses declaring them Historical Landmarks. No money is being funded and no plans to restore them have been made to this date. These are the last three houses left of what was known as The Snake Pit. Each of these being a few hundred feet from where The Spiral Staircase was located.

A interesting link with some writings by the last people to live at The Snake Pit.


Something that might be of interest to all of you. I've done a lot of research on the area where the snake pit was. I have found enough info that William Randolph Hearst and Marion Davies owned the property where the spiral staircase was at one time. I have found enough info to almost be able to say that William Randolph Hearst and Marion Davies are the ones that built the spiral staircase as a weekend get away. William Randolph Hearst was having an affair with Marion Davies and the time that the house would of been built was while they were still being discrete about it. Hearst's wife wouldn't allow him to divorce her which would explain a hide away in a discrete location.






Manson Girls Movie 2012

I plan on touching base with Susanna Lo this week.
I asked members if they had any questions they would like me to ask her.  I am no longer accepting questions.  I sent out every question you all asked to Sussana this evening.


Manson Girls Logo Boxer Brief



http://www.cafepress.com/MANSONGIRLS/7809375


No movie yet but you can buy clothes and accessories.
I want the fridge magnet myself.





Saturday, May 14, 2011


               picture from http://www.redrumatographs.com/                                  

In 1969 I was working in Hollywood California and taking care of my four children. That year the Tate-LaBianca murders rocked Los Angeles and the world.  I thought these crimes could set off a revolution in America. I believed nothing short of the Second Coming of Jesus Christ, or a revolution (maybe both) were necessary to solve America's problems.  After visiting Charles Manson in jail, my children and I went to live with the 'Manson Family.'  - Dennis Rice


               
       
Preaching must come with a good dental plan.

Parts of a interview with Dennis "Fatherman" Rice.
October twenty eight, 2009

Speaking of prison~Over time, Rice said he began to see things differently. Some of his old “family” members had become Christians. His cellmate was a Christian and in all these people, he could see a common thread.“My Jesus was in prison,” he said. “Their Jesus was changing their lives.”

Rice said his children also came to know Christ through him. All four of his children who were with him at the Manson family ranch are now born-again Christians doing work in ministry. He said they told him they knew God was real when they saw God change their father.
“I knew if I wanted to stay free and stay saved, I knew to surround myself with people who wouldn't bring me back to prison. Is there any hope for you?” he asked offenders. “It ain't over till it's over. This isn't about fun and games. This if life and death. It's time to get out and stay out. It's time to do it his way.”

Rice asked if anyone had a parole date or knew they only had a short time left. He told them he was on his way out too, if his doctors were right.  In May Rice said he was diagnosed with liver cancer and his doctor's gave him 6-9 months to live.  At most a year. That's OK, because I know where I'm going. I'm looking forward to it,” he said. “This may be the last time I ever see you unless you make the same decisions I made on the floor of that prison cell on May 14, 1978. We may see each other again, if you make that decision."
Rice said he wants to be remembered as doing something good.  “You have a choice, you can leave behind a legacy,” he said. “It's going to be a blessing or a curse. Years from now, they'll remember you. Which way will it be? This is your opportunity. This is your day.”

                 Click here for the entire story

      http://www.taosnews.com/articles/2009/10/28/news/doc4ae1dcf78c7f5439250479.txt

The reason I chose to re-run part of this article is-
The article is dated October twenty eight 2009.  Dennis said that in May of 2009, he was diagnosed with liver cancer and the doctors gave him 6-9 months,a year at most.   He was already five months into his death sentence when this article was printed.  It is now May 2011. Over two years have gone by.  Maybe he is holding on until the bitter end like Sadie did?  I cant seem to find a thing about him past 2009.  Does anybody know if he is still alive? 





manson 2 jesus



Dennis Rice's Prison Out Reach Website, never updated.  
Soooo- I guess if I was in prison and needed some "out reach",
I would be assed out?       
  
                         http://www.manson2jesus.com/       

 If you have never been there before it is worth a look.  There is a section on Catherine Share. 
It tells some of her life story from her first memories hiding from the Nazis in France.  Gypsy says it is all Bobby's fault she met the Family.  She details the trials, her crimes and her life with Curly Como.  What she left out is the story of her poor son Paul/Phoenix who grew up without his mother or father in Christian camps, whatever those are. I think the writings are snippets from the book she has been writing for the past 25+ years.

There is also a section for Tex that takes you right to his website.

The section on Bruce Davis was not working when I was there.
I wonder, since Dennis stuck with religion after prison, would Tex and Bruce (and Sadie if alive) continued the religion thing if they were released?