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Q&A Twin House

 Hello. I have a question about the Cielo twin house for the Q & A.

Most would be aware that there was a house very similar in design to 10050 Cielo, known as the twin house, built at the same time and located below 10050. Now when one inputs 10066 Cielo Drive Los Angeles, Ca. into Google Earth, (sorry can't get a screenshot to work) we see 10066 with it's tan roof and an interesting turret style roof structure. There is also a smaller house below with a similar odd turret feature and similar roof color. So my question is - is this mere coincidence or are these two houses somehow related as were the original 10050 and it's twin? And thanks for such a great forum, 

Wengr.

The original home located at 10050 Cielo Drive  in Benedict Canyon, Los Angeles California, has been occupied by many famous Hollywood figures, and was the scene of one of the Manson "family" murders. The house was designed by Robert Byrd in 1942 for French actress Michèle Morgan. It was extremely similar, but not exactly identical to the house which sat on its own plateau directly below 10050, 10048 Cielo Drive (often referred to as the "Twin House" -- {see also "10048 Cielo Drive, Twin House"}). They were originally built on land called "The Bedrock Properties" and were built at the same time. The French country style structure was located on 3 acres (1.2 ha) at the end of a cul-de-sac on Cielo Drive in Benedict Canyon, an area west of Hollywood in the Santa Monica Mountains that overlooks Beverly Hills and Bel Air. The hillside structure faced east and featured stone fireplaces, beamed ceilings, paned windows, a loft above the living room, a swimming pool and a guest house. By the end of World War II Morgan had returned to France and in 1946 Lillian Gish moved in with her mother while filming Duel in the Sun. Past residents included Cary Grant and Dyan Cannon, and Henry Fonda.


From- http://www.ovguide.com/10050-cielo-drive-9202a8c04000641f8000000000530499

Mother Mary's First Communion

Patty is not sure what she did to deserve such awesome treatment from the good folks at HS Forum, but they are the gift that keeps on giving! Perhaps, because they are solely interested in the victims and not the perpetrators, they do not feel their forum is the right place to post the little gems that they come across from time to time. In any case, Patty is grateful and pleased to be able to share with you yet another awesome Mary pic: voila!

More on The Brotherhood

at left and bottom: detail from the painting "Taxonomic Mandala" by former BEL member Dion Wright

As Patty mentioned earlier, The Brotherhood of Eternal Love started out as a pseudo-religious organization and, ironically, incorporated themselves as such just a few days after LSD became illegal in the US. The idea was that all of life is interconnected, and that LSD is the sacrament that allows one to realize one's true purpose and  place in the universe. Tim Leary associated with the BEL and wrote a book based on the Tibetan Book of the Dead entitled The Psychedelic Experience that was a supposed "user's guide" to the drug. In it, he wrote of "dying in one's mind," which was taken from the eighth century philosopher Padmasambhava's notion that "the chikhai bardo (or the moment of death) features the experience of the 'clear light of reality', or at least the nearest approximation of which one is spiritually capable."

Dying in one's mind. Hmmmmm. Heard that one before?

However, Patty digresses. Is it pure coincidence that both the BEL and The Family lived in and frequented some of the same places (London, Hawaii, Oregon, San Francisco, Mendocino County)? 

1) Could Bruce going to London have anything to do with drug smuggling?

2) What were The Witches doing in Mendocino, anyway? Why weren't they back at Spahn with their beloved leader? Could they have been running a safehouse instead of or in addition to a brothel? Could CHP Officer Dulaney's wife (Clyda) and mother (Nancy) have been murdered because he was getting too close to "the truth"?

3) Could Ruth Ann have disappeared on Barbara Hoyt in Honolulu to hop over to Maui and pick up a shipment? What kind of LSD was in that burger, anyway, and where did it come from?

4) Where did the Family get most of their LSD, for that matter? Did people really just give Charlie things because he was so enlightened, or was the money coming from something else? Was it weird that Charlie shared his space, his women, his weapons and everything else with a bunch of bikers?

5) Who ended up distributing MDMA in Los Angeles after Voytek was killed?

6) Did Rosemary's family history and Leno's money have anything to do with Mexican marijuana?

Uh huh, these are the makings of some awesome conspiracy theories. But, are they that far out? Maybe...probably...but the circumstantial evidence is compelling, and Patty's got still more..

Q&A Rosalie

In the comments section of a previous post ALIKEN asked-

Is Rosalie still alive?

Were Enforcer Bruce Davis and Members of The Charles Manson Family Responsible For The Zodiac Murders?

Link to original article

Sharon At Cielo

TJ and Ansom

Thank you, LW for the photo.

Farf's Squeaky Stockton Tour

And now, for some comic relief, Patty gives you Farflung's latest creative endeavor.
We love you, Farf!

Hi Patty,

Taking a cue from your awe inspiring mapping of the Stockton crimes, I created either a ‘Squeaky Walking Tour Map of Stockton’ or a Manson centric board game called ‘The Red Zone’.  Wanna play?  Just like being in the family, you now have no choice so follow along.

You start by arriving via Greyhound bus at the terminal located on Center Street.  You then proceed to walk the sixteen blocks to the Flora Street home because your friend was too tired and driving to the station to pick you up, would be a hassle.

The house is a flurry of activity with frantic ad hoc carpentry (shovel handle sawing), gardening and a crying baby beginning to grate your normally steady nerves.  Perhaps a walk to get some fresh air to try and clear your mind would be in order.  Roll the dice of life and take a chance on what will be your destiny.

After nearly six blocks, you realize this isn’t working and notice there is a market on the corner just ahead.  This would be a discreet place to purchase a couple items which would take the edge off of being ignored by your friend Brenda in the form of a package of tampons and a fifth of vodka to soak them in.

The cashier asks if you would like some modeling glue or spray paint to go with your purchase and you enter…… ‘The RED Zone’.

That’s enough!  You grab the first payphone and call those ingrates and demand a ride back because you’re mad as hell and aren’t going to take it anymore.  The phone is answered and before thinking, you demand a ride from the liquor store in a move so ironic, that Otis Campbell feels amateurish.

From the corner market to the slammer on Market Street, you are finally given that ride which you have been denied since landing on the sovereign soil of Stockton.  Sure you’ll spend and unknown amount of time in a lesbian fuelled container of hot messes, and charged with murder, but it’s worth it.

The game ends across the street from where it all began and where you will say farewell to Stockton and what will later be known as ‘The Lost Weekend’.  You venture to other destinations in life while gleaning some satisfaction knowing that you weren’t able to tell Brenda, that it was discovered she is the lovechild of Stan Laurel and Delores Taylor.

Sincerely, Farf

Right Hand Man

In the comments section under the thread Ex Manson Follower's Legal Maneuvers Cause LAPD Delay-

revatron said...

I was reading "Manson's Right-Hand Man Speaks Out!" today on Watson's website. Here is a quote from him "It's not easy for me to talk about or to read about the actual murders as portrayed in my book Will You Die For Me? The facts of my book were taken from tape recordings I did with my attorney only four months after the crime. These recordings were very accurate descriptions of the crime, play-by-play."

That made me think first of all good find.  Second-Tex writes "These recordings were very accurate descriptions of the crime, play by play."

THE CRIME.  Leaves room for speculation. Not THE CRIMES.

He does not mention crime in plural.  Plural to me would mean Tate /LaBianca.  Singular, would that be Crowe or Shea?  Or maybe other crimes we don't know about?  Was it just an error he said crime singular?  I personally think he meant just TLB.  Either way in his book he claims the recordings are accurate. 

Watson denied there are additional crimes besides TLB on the tapes in a legal filing opposing LAPD gaining possession of the tapes. Watson did not object to LAPD detectives being allowed to listen to the tapes in the presence of some kind of court monitor, but LAPD maintains that is not adequate for a proper investigation.  Maybe he is telling the truth (for once) when he says there are no other crimes besides TLB mentioned on the tapes. As always regarding the crimes I am baffled.