Rare photos from the Spahn Ranch raid

These photos are all from the Spahn raid. Hearing/reading that there was an arsenal of weapons there didn't really sink in until we saw these photos. The visual of what was out there is pretty frightening, wouldn't you say?

Leslie's Other Look A Like

I thought about it and thought about it.  I really fought it.  I wasn't going to do it but, in the first Leslie Look A Like post after Austin Ann 74 brought it up, I couldn't resist.

Austin Ann said........Horseheaded hosebag......

Much more flattering pic wouldn't you say?

Leslie's look a like.

This may just be my own weird freaky hang –up, but I used to find it difficult to distinguish between Leslie Van Houten and Louise Lasser. I’m way over that now though.

From our new BFF Farf.

Pirates of the Manson Family?

Does anyone know the origin of this picture of Bobby?  A lot of people have asked me about it over the years and I have no idea.  Anyone?

The Updated "Manson File"

Charlie up front in the McNeil Island prison band

I have finally started reading the updated version of "The Manson File."

Thanks Grump and thanks Patty!

I can not possibly type up the entire 988 pages. I decided to share some of the things I found bizarre in the book periodically. I say periodically because my other job, the paying one, takes up most of my time lately. I was thinking, remember when The Colonel had his minions type up the entire Paul Watkins book? Maybe he can send those minions my way to take over the typing.

Right now I am up to page 41.  

According to this book, Alvin "Creepy" Karpis took Charlie under his wing in a Washington State prison where they both served time.  Karpis sent a letter to his buddy Frankie Carbo most likely to ask Carbo to keep a look out for Charlie since he was going to be transferred to McNeil Island where Carbo was already serving time. Carbo was a member of the Genovese crime family.

"Less well-known to this day are Carbo's business dealings with a then obscure Los Angeles syndicate player and hopelessly indebted gambling addict named Leno LaBianca.  Among other things, LaBianca was the director of a decidedly shady enterprise known as The First Bank of Hollywood.  The Los Angles Department didn't beat around the bush when they described Mr. LaBianca's financial institution as a "front for hoodlum money."

Eviliz has never read that any where, has anyone else?

"Very early on, the perennial links between American show biz and the underworld left their greasy finger prints all over this case.  That these tell-tale traces have been overlooked in the years since La Bianca's much publicized but still mysterious demise is no accident."

"To begin to get some sense of the previously hidden level that's been obscured under more familiar accounts, a quick game of six degrees of separation may prove an illuminating digression.  For other Carbo connections to coming events in our parolee's (Charlie) life also unfolded around that same time.  For example, it was thanks to Carbo's drastic removal of Bugsy Siegel from his post as the East Coast syndicate's movie industry overseer that a Mafia lawyer named Sidney Korshak moved into the power vacuum opened up by Bugsy's death.  Shortly before our convict's (Charlie again) release from Terminal Island, it was consiglere Korshak- a power-broker so potent he was known by friends and enemies alike as "The Myth"- who pulled strings to see that Robert Evans, a young actor since proven to have maintained close mob connections throughout his career took over Paramount Studios. 

That dream factory's glossy product had not infrequently been funded with mob blood money.  Evans, in turn, helped establish the career of a gifted Polish exile director named Roman Polanski.  Robert Evans produced Polanski's first Hollywood hit, Rosemary's baby. Probably unknown to Polanski, that film was financed with funds, some have surmised, procured from sources directly connected to the Genovese Family activities then taking place in New York. We will come to examine how these mammoth criminal enterprises later collided and intertwined with our subjects (Charlie) considerably more modest outlaw operation."

So begins the Charlie/Mob/Hollywood/LaBianca connection.

Little known fact, Eviliz went to Catholic high school in CT with two girls from the Genovese clan. I remember when we were about 15, someone late at night threw a molotov cocktail into the attic window of their brick home causing the roof and attic along with their bushes and front lawn to burn quickly. Any doubts we had in school as to if they were really mafia were quickly erased.

Evilz also had beef with one of those Genovese girls, the one in a grade ahead of me. She always made it clear on daily basis she wanted to kick my ass because I got to date the few boys in our school and she didn't. I don't think the boys would not date her because she was Mafia. I know it was because she was fat and ugly with a blonde afro.

Stay tuned for more.

Eviliz circa 1983

Doris Tate and Ed Sanders

Patty has never seen this photo before. 

Did Doris write a book? 

Can't find it on Amazon.com...

Celebrity Look A Like

Is it just me or does Jason Ritter son of John Ritter have a striking resemblance to Bobby?
Does anyone else find celebrity look a likes in the Family?
E-mail them to~ 1967mansonfamily@gmail.com.

When Bobby Met Charlie.

In 1973 Truman Capote interviewed Bobby B. The interview was later published in the book  " .45 Dangerous Minds", a compilation of Seconds magazine's favorite interviews. Below are a couple of parts I found interesting in the interview. There is one thing in the interview that irritates me. Capote refers to the LaBianca's as the Lo Bianco's. Where the fact checker was I have no idea.

RB- "Everybody always wants to know how I got together with Manson.  It was through our music.  He plays some, too.  One night I was driving around with a bunch of my ladies.  Well, we came to this old roadhouse, beer place with a lot of cars outside.  So we went inside and there was Charlie with some of his ladies.  We all got to talking, played some together; the next day Charlie came to see me in my van, and we all, his people and my people, ended up camping out together.  Brothers and sisters.  A family."

TC- "Do you consider killing innocent people a good thing?"

RB- "Who said they were innocent?" They burned people on dope deals. Sharon Tate and that gang.  They picked up kids on the Strip and took them home and whipped them. Made movies if it. Ask the cops; they found the movies. Not that they'd tell you the truth."




To read about Gary's murder and more go to  http://capote.wordpress.com/

Thanks to member William Marshall for jogging my memory about  ".45 Dangerous Minds."

Bobby in 2011

Thoughts to keep in mind concerning MDA

Dear Matt,

In the interest of keeping the victims from being any further demeaned than they already have about bringing on their own deaths by insinuating that Roman Polanski sent trunks filled with the drug MDA to Sharon--and therefor making her an accomplice--I think there are a couple of thoughts to keep in mind concerning MDA.

I realize that if you go on the internet to search the history of the drug it will say that it was made illegal in 1970--therefore in "revatron's" opinion it had been around for years--and it had, in the synthetic pharmaceutical testing stages--just as LSD had been around since before the 1940's. Nevertheless, these are drug histories that are being written years after the fact.

But, lets go back to 1969 and what we know are the facts of what was happening in the investigation of Sharon's murder. Of note in the first Tate homicide report: "...Harrigan became quite friendly with Frykowski and Folger. This was mainly due to the fact that Frykowski was interested in known drugs on the market, in addition to future synthetic drugs that were being made in eastern Canada. ...Harrigan told Frykowski that they would obtain the new synthetic drug, MDA, from Canada and allow him to be one of the first to try it. This conversation or agreement apparently took place sometime in the early part of July, 1969 at the Polanski home...

Of further note, we have one of Lt. Bob Helder's portions of Five Down on Cielo, his book collaboration with PJ Tate written in 1970 :

What we needed was a stronger motive for revenge. Perhaps concrete evidence of a dope burn. Along these lines we pursued Kraznowski's account of Frykowski and Harrigan's discussions about the new drug MDA. We knew that the coroner had found an unknown drug in the urine specimens taken from Abigail Folger and Woytek Frykowski. I inquired whether the Coroner's Dept. was aware of this new drug. No came their reply. I checked with the chemists of our  own crime lab and they too were not aware of it. So, I contacted the local agent for the FBI of Narcotics and asked if he could locate a sample. He rang back twenty minutes later to tell me that the drug was so new their laboratory in Washington only had a single tablet but they would be willing to send us a portion of it air mail special delivery. Suddenly, a thought occurred to me and I looked up the phone number of Paul Caruso, Tom Harrigan's attorney. I told him our problem and asked if he thought he might be able to get Harrigan to deliver a sample of MDA to his office if I would guarantee no questions asked. An hour later, a brown paper sack containing 25 tablets was delivered to my office. I took five of the tablets to the Coroner's office and sent the remaining 20 to the FBI.

Alisa Statman

Sorry Anon8252, the steamer trunks were NOT full of MDA

There's been speculation here about the anonymous "Family Member" (Anon8252) who was in Star City Radio's chat on Wednesday night.

Setting aside the obvious problem with the dates and having details on Kasabian who she could not have met if she left Spahn for good on May 20, 1969 (Linda didn't arrive until later) we'd like to address the part about Sharon's steamer trunks shipped from Europe being full of MDA.

We do believe that drugs played a part in the Cielo murders. Do we think that there were drugs in the 2 steamer trunks? We would say that with a 95% certainty that there were no drugs in Sharon's trunks. It makes absolutely no sense.

Below is the paperwork for the "drug" trunks. Notice that they were shipped on July 17, 1969 and then didn't arrive in LA until August 8. It seems to us that there would be more of a rush to get these "drug filled" trunks to LA.

You would have a very hard time convincing us that Roman Polanski, at the height of his directing career - fresh off winning Academy awards for Rosemary's Baby and just signing the biggest deal of his career to direct 3 films for a huge amount of money (at the time) would risk it all to ship drugs in a trunk that is so easily traced not only FROM him (albeit his secretary at Cadre) but TO him at his current address in the US.

Also, in these types of trunks there is no hidden compartment or even a lining in these trunks to hide drugs in.

Here at Eviliz, we think Anon8252 was giving nothing more than the regurgitation of a combination of long told rumors. There's not a single thing that he/she said that is new information.

MDA is interesting but this was a drug that was not even really on the market yet but still in the pharmaceutical stages in Canada - not being smuggled from London.

Sorry Anon8252, we're calling BS on you.

Thanks to Tayyarrah for the documents.