Stacey asked- The family always mentioned creepy crawling strangers homes. Does anybody know if there are police reports filed from regular citizens who woke up in the morning to find all their stuff rearranged?
My answer- I read in one of Bill Nelson's books he interviewed Ruth Stivick, not sure if this is her real name. Ruth was RoseMary's business partner and best friend. Ruth told Nelson RoseMary told her a few days before the murders, her and Leno woke up one morning to find they had been creepy crawled. All their belongings we're rearranged.
Thats the only similar thing I ever heard about creepy crawls.
And also, Alice LaBianca, Leno's first wife mentioned to Nelson that she was the one saddled with the task of cleaning up the mess post murders. One morning after returning to the Labianca home, one of the bedroom doorknobs (from Frank Struthers Jr.'s room) was inside the refrigerator. Also, some logs in front of the fireplace we're moved around to form a pattern. Before Ruth had left the house the previous evening, the logs we're in order and the doorknob was in tact on the door.
In Patricia Krenwinkel's big moment in time, she decides to put an a between an e and a l. And from what I know about California parole boards, they could consider her an undue risk to society because she is a bad speller.
The term "creepy crawl" was not used until July 69. One of the girls coined the phrase. Charlie taught them to creepy crawl in order to experience fear. He had this strange fascination with fear. Some oth the creepy crawlers wore special purpose, hand made black capes. Just my opinion but I think Charlie used creepy crawls as training for what eventually became the TLB murders. I don't think Charlie ever thought about asking Leslie to one day participate in murder because she only did one breakin prior to Labianca. She broke in to her da's house.
remember this is bill nelson re-search. in his book he was trying to imply that there was some occult meaning by the arrangment of the logs and the door knob in the refrigerator. bill was not a christian pedophile but he also saw satanists everywhere-he even called me a satanist after i brought him up on mail fraud charges. on the creepy-crawls it is pretty obvious the labianca'were creepy-crawled and i've come to believe it was atkins and grogan who did it. remember they told several people that the dogs were outside several times when they had been left in the house. on a lighter note john and michelle phillips were also creepy-crawled. john phillips went into his garage and saw some people dressed in black and white cloth-ing and so when returned to their bedroom he told michelle there was penquins walking around in the garage and she told him to go to bed as he was stoned. after the trials they of course realized they had been creepy-crawled. someone also creey-crawled singer jack jones house during a party and took jones' cowboy hat and left. i'm surprised that not more people have come forward saying like they were creepy-crawled like all the people who came forward saying they had been invited to tate's house the night of the murders. how scary it must have been for people to realize it was manson family members who moved their furniture around. danny decarlo has said they were always in the hollywood hills creepy crawling. there must have been so many victims/
beauders- i do remember that from Jons book. lol go to bed your stoned! haha
I've always just sort of wondered what the people who woke up to find their stuff moved thought. I think I'd probably think I was going insane...I'm sure that would mess with your mind pretty good. I bet also if you did have your house creepy crawled and called the police they wouldn't do anything but think you were crazy...the LAPD wasn't the brightest at the time...
it also appears that they creepy-crawled the same residences more than once. that would just flip me out, i think i would have to move after learning who was messing with my home during the trials.
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