While reading the exceptionally interesting case study written by Dr. David E. Smith entitled "A Case Study of the Charles Manson Group Marriage Commune" done in 1968, I found a little tidbit I thought I might share. The interesting tidbit is this: When Mary Brunner gave birth to her son, Valentine Michael aka Pooh Bear aka Sunstone Hawk, she passed on her yeast infection to the poor child. Other than that, the doctor noted that the child was a fairly "healthy youngster." Am I a jerk for posting such a thing? Yeah, probably. Are you going to stop reading this now? Hell No! Are you looking at Eviliz at work? Yes, most likely....Anyway, here you go:
We gathered our data primarily by participant-observation techniques. Both authors worked with commune dwellers at the
Most group marriage communes that survive for a long period of time have a "father figure" as the spiritual leader of the group. The group marriage commune under study had a "father figure" (Charles Manson), a 35-year-old white male with a past history of involvement with the law. The age range of these communal dwellers was about 16 to 34, the core group consisted of approximately 20 people, including 14 women. Although there were three people with some college education, including one person having a Master's degree, members disapproved of the whole process of formal institutional education in
Brief Description of the Leader
Manson was thirty-five years of age, and had no college education. He was an extroverted, persuasive individual who served as absolute ruler of the group marriage commune. What he sanctioned was approved by the rest of the group, but what he disapproved was forbidden. Tales of Manson's sexual prowess were related to all new members. One of the most popular stories concerned his daily activities before the group moved to the ranch, and while they were being supported by a "wealthy cousin." One popular story often told was that Manson would get up in the morning, make love, eat breakfast, make love, and go back to sleep. He would wake later, and make love, have lunch, make love, and go back to sleep. Waking up later, he would make love, eat dinner, make love, and go back to sleep- only to wake up in the middle of the night wanting to have intercourse again. Such stories, although not validated, helped him maintain his leadership role. Charlie had a persuasive mystical philosophy placing great emphasis on the belief that people did not die and that infant consciousness was the ultimate state. However, Charlie's mysticism often became delusional and he on occasion referred to himself as "God" or "God and the Devil." Charlie could probably be diagnosed as an ambulatory schizophrenic.
Location and Economic Support
The economic level of this commune was low and there was no stable source of income. Money would be brought into the group by new members or through gifts from the "cousins." Gifts of food, money and clothing, also came from friends and acquaintances of the group, although such presents were rare. At the time of our observation, the group lived on a "ranch" which had as its sole means of support money coming from the rental of horses for riding. The group marriage commune worked on the ranch in return for living quarters,. These living quarters were probably illegal, since the buildings had been condemned, but this was of little concern to the group. The group usually awoke at about 7:00 a.m. in order to feed the horses and put them out to pasture before the first riders arrived. They finished breakfast and had the horses saddled by 8:00 a.m. Some people stayed near the office in order to act as guides on the trails while some were prepared to saddle more horses. Others cleaned the stalls and prepared the hay and oats so that the barn would be ready when the horses came back. Some lounged or made love most of the day until dinner time. The group usually gathered after dinner and smoked marijuana while singing or talking. Drug use, however, was primarily recreational and had little to do with the central philosophy of the group. Because they had little money, food procurement was a daily "adventure" (a term used by the group because of the risks involved in getting food). Two or three people would take the ranch truck to the nearby town. Parking behind the grocery store or supermarket they proceeded to rummage through the garbage bins. Meat which had begun to discolor, dented cans of food, open bags of fruit and vegetables, etc., made up the daily meals. The term "adventure" was used because such forays were illegal; a prevalent rumor had it that the stores sprinkled rat poison or lime over the food in an attempt to discourage such procurement methods. Fourteen to twenty people per day were fed two meals, seven days a week. This commune was not a "vegetarian commune" nor was it involved in Eastern religion as were some of the communes previously studied. LSD-induced psychedelic philosophy was not a major motivational force.
Attitudes Toward the Children
One of the most significant characteristics of the communes in general is the return to natural, almost primitive techniques of childbirth and child rearing. This commune was no different. Of the 14 females in the "immediate family," two were pregnant at the time of our observation. Both said that Manson was the father, although there was no way to verify the claim, as the sexual relations in the group were polygamous. It should be noted that Manson was held in such high regard by the girls that all of them wanted to carry his child. One of the pregnant girls gave birth to her son in the group's bus which the family used both as transportation and as a home prior to the ranch location. During the three months of residence in
Sexual Practices and Child RearingSince the group had extremely permissive sexual attitudes, the members felt no need for conventional marriage relationships which they considered psychologically destructive. The large number of divorces in the larger society and in their own family backgrounds helped them to rationalize or reinforce this attitude.
The group functioned as "one husband and wife." They took communal responsibility for the children, although the mother cared for the infant during the early natal period with breast feeding. The entire group believed that they gave the child more attention and affection than did most families. The child was always the center of attraction and went everywhere with the group. The child was viewed as the one member of the group to most closely emulate and follow, as he alone was "untainted" by society. Charlie used the words of Jesus, "He who is like the small child shall reap the rewards of heaven," as a guide for the group's child rearing philosophy.
On Becoming a Partner in the Group Marriage Commune
Entry into this commune was relatively simple. There were no "entrance requirements" other than the willingness to give up one's social "hang-ups" and inhibition about sex, sexual partners, material possessions, and power over people. The latter was considered to be the primary motivation of the establishment or dominant culture. Sexual inhibitions were a major concern of the group. The sexual ethic the group attempted to adopt was at odds with the members' own middle-class backgrounds. Most of the group came from middle-class backgrounds and upon becoming a partner in the group marriage; many found it difficult to adjust to the group's attitude toward sex.
Communal marriage was the modus operandi, and conventional one-to-one relationships were not sanctioned. The females in the group had as their major role the duty of gratifying the males. This was done by cooking for them and sleeping with them. Any member of the group could sleep with any other member as long as the partners did not get so involved with each other that they would not (or did not want to) sleep with anyone else.
Manson set himself up as the "initiator of new females" into the commune. He would spend most of their first day making love to them, as he wanted to see if they were just on a "sex trip" (a term used by the group to label someone there only for sexual gratification), or whether they were seriously interested in joining the group. Manson would spend a great deal of time talking with them and finding out, as he put it, "where their heads were at." An unwillingness, for example, to engage in mutual oral-genital contact was cause for immediate expulsion, for Charlie felt that this was one of the most important indications as to whether or not the girl would be willing to give up her sexual inhibitions.
Middle-class standards of sex behavior were rejected by the group. Most of the group had refuted the financial and materialistic orientation of their families with relative ease. The sexual orientation was more difficult. Homosexual activity, though not stigmatized, was minimal. Charlie felt that getting rid of sexual inhibitions would free people of most of their inhibitions and problems.
Divorce From the Group Marriage Commune
Should the group discover that a partner was not ridding himself of inhibitions fast enough, pressure would be applied. This pressure would take various forms. One of the most popular was the refusal of the other group members to have intercourse with that individual. Another approach would be the "long talk" method. This technique would involve two or three partners in the commune approaching the individual in question and asking "Why are you here? What do you want from us? If we asked you to hitch-hike to
and stay there awhile, would you do it?" If the answer to the last question was yes, and the individual still did not go, he would usually be asked to leave and stay away until he went through sufficient "changes." People usually left "involuntarily" at the insistence of the family or group because the group felt that the individual was 1)just there for sexual reasons (on a sex trip), or 2)failed to conform to the standards of the group as established by Manson. New York
Discussion and Summary
A descriptive study such as this about a group marriage commune leaves a great many questions unanswered. It is apparent that many of the activities of the group would be labeled deviant by
In health terms, a great deal of the behavior in group marriage commune is destructive. Communicable diseases ranging from upper respiratory problems to gonorrhea are rampant. Hepatitis and food poisoning also occur with great frequency. Drug abuse, however, does not seem to be a major health problem, although the use of illegal drugs by commune members seems to attract a great deal of attention in the popular press.
Relative to psychosocial issues, analysis becomes much more difficult. Childbirth and communal child rearing seem to be handled fairly well as long as the group stays together, but substantial problems develop for both mother and child if they must leave the commune. Little is know of the long term consequences of such communal child rearing.
The final and most interesting questions relate to why this alternative communal life style holds such an attraction for thousands of adolescents and young adults. Why, for example, were these young girls so attracted and captivated by a disturbed person such as Manson? What is happening within the framework of the dominant culture and its monogamous, nuclear family units, that so many youths must feel compelled not simply to rebel but totally reject traditional life styles?
*This research was conducted 15 months prior to the highly publicized "Sharon Tate murder." The authors take no position or have no information relative to the involvement of this commune in this violent crime.
**Assistant Clinical Professor of Toxicology,
Mary looks fantastic with her hair done and a mothers joy showing on her face.
I think Pooh got a slice of life's vagloaf, having been born into this mess. I hope he is okay now, and loaf free. :)
Kind of puts the idea of who actually was in charge to rest. Score one for Bugliosi.
So 69 with Charlie was actually some sort of entrance exam?
WTF is vagloaf?
I know someone who had genital warts and passed them on to her babys buttock when she gave birth. Eww
Bread or other yeast made product, made by feminine yeast.
Glad you asked?
Matt, is that from urban dictionary or Matt dictionary? :) Ladies, don't forget to wear loose fitting clothing and cotton undies. Do you think all of these teenie boppers wearing skin tight jeans are getting vagloaf more often?
I can't get over how pretty Mary looks in that photo. It must be the best picture she ever took and I really hope this comment changes the subject.
In his book, Tex said how he stayed with Mary at the tent by the ranch and how most pictures actually never did her justice.
that's a funny thought, Starship - 69 as an initiation rite. You have to wonder if the murders hadn't have happened and some writer was portraying the family if he would have picked up on that and the Manson gang would have been known as the 69'ers....you know, like the SF football team is the 49's.
Not to sound like a perv but you gotta wonder if there were any sexual practices that Manson disapproved of. I can't imagine he was against anal sex since his time in prison. But maybe something like squirting was repellant to him. Who knows. But I wonder if he did prohibit anything sexual.
In my mind's eye I picture Charlie and a number of the different women doing the standing 69. Just after meeting for the very first time.
I remember a Penthouse forum story where a couple who were attracted to each other just shed their clothes and engaged in a 69 clinch just as soon as they got alone.
Listen to me, I sound pretty pervy as well. Let's go back to vagloaf.
Bread or other yeast made product, made by feminine yeast.
Fucking gross! I never heard of such a thing.
I know Starship. It is difficult to talk about sexual mores and practices without coming across as a perv. But I confess it is a subject that interests me.
I work with the Karen people of Burma and it is amazing how backwards the are. Women in their forties who have five kids have never heard of the concept of masturbation or the existence of the clitoris. And they are totally ignorant of the actuality of an orgasim.
Burma is a backward country and the Karen were especially isolated and persecuted but it still boggles my mind to have conversations with them where it is clear that their sexual awareness is nil.
The sexual mores and practices of the Manson Family remains a point of both intellectual and cultural interest.
I still wish Donkey Dan would write his memoirs.
My only comment:
"The mother and the group were against circumcision, but later forced by county health officials to have the operation performed."
Forced Circumcision?? This sure seems like someone was over stepping their authority on this one.
When my son was born, in North Carolina, the doctor's tried to talk us out of circumcising him. I told my late wife, "don't bring him home unless it is done. He'll thank us for it later"
Patty's sister left all of Patty's nephews unclipped. At least now they are safe from Taylor Swift.
Vagloaf - so gross it's funny.
Yes, I thought that was a little bit weird that the foster family had him cut. However, I have read that infants can get yeast infections down in that area from not being cleaned properly. They get a build-up of something called "smegma." It is beyond repulsive to discuss, but....
that's a funny thought, Starship - 69 as an initiation rite
How 'bout a 68. Someone does you and you owe them one..... Sorry, couldn't restist.
WTF is vagloaf?
I know someone who had genital warts and passed them on to her babys buttock when she gave birth.
Genital warts? Is that something you get from "handling" frogs? lol
There is a women who makes documentary films about sexuality and third world cultures...sounds just like what you're getting at. It was on PBS in like, 17 different parts. I've met her when we teched her presentation...can't remember her name. Not you is it?
nah, Starship, not me. to paraphrase Madonna, I am a lesbian trapped inside a man's body.
i'll try and find that PBS series. i missed it.
Great post, been wanting to read this for a long while ever since (I think) I saw it mentioned in Sanders' book.
"LSD-induced psychedelic philosophy was not a major motivational force." What!? I am disappointed. I was kind of expecting more "The commune gobbled seventy-six huge buckets full of LSD fourteen times a day" sort of comments.. Mebbe LSD was seen by the academics more as a tool for erasing hang-ups than a source of philosophical inspiration, though.
I wish these academics had visited Shiva Lila, the "acid-taking cult of baby-worshippers" mentioned in the book Flashing the Sixties (as well as here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Bear_Ranch). I'd love to find out more about them.
"This commune was not a "vegetarian commune""
Anybody else find that interesting?
I did a double take on that one myself. Lets see what Cutter says about it.
Hmmm, I just can't picture Charlie wearing a "Kiss the Cook" apron, while all the ranch folk anxiously awaited their ribs, hot dogs, and burgers......Barbara probably would've been a fan of burger night!
Apparently members like Sadie and Danny would hitchhike once a week to get a burger or steak.
Somebody said Charlie would go to town every so often for a steak. I wish I could remember who said it.
Lauren, I had heard (meaning "read") this too. I think it was in the Family. Is that where you read it?
Yeah! I just read the Family. Then in Jess Bravin's book about Squeaky, Ouisch said members like herself craved meat.
And allow me to say this with respect, every time I see the title of this thread, I want to gag! Gross!
Yes I feel the same way about the threads title. I smirk and cringe at the same time, actually.
Question for Lauren, or anyone else that's read Jess Bravin's book. How did you find it? I've been interested in the book (and quite behind in the Manson bibliography, esp. being interested in the family since 1981!), but have heard both good and bad. (Thought of it again tonight, as the cashier at the grocery store I was at looked startlingly like Squeaky circa 1969! Her name was Leslie, interestingly enough!)
Hendy, yes I LOVE the book! Got it as a birthday gift! Im up to the part about Lynn being in Sacramento right now. Its a great book, even Lynn herself approved of the book. I think one of the reasons why she likes it/why I like it is because as opposed to the other books like Helter Skelter and The Family which shed light on the whole "cult" perspective and the madness of Manson, you see the dimension of Charlie that attracted Lynn to him. After reading it, you'l understand and honestly, wouldn't blame Lynn for being attached to him.
Its probably my favorite book on the Family.
Lauren, thanks for the mini review, probably will order it in the near future from amazon or something. I
I always make it clear to anyone who knows that I'm interested in Manson, that I am not at all a "fan" per se, of the family. ( I actually have a friend who graduated from Canoga Park High, near Spahn Ranch, in 1970, who asked me, "So what, are you some sort of big Manson family fan or something?? He found my interest strange.) But, I've always found these characters we're all interested in to be not just the black and white, all good or all evil sorts that are often portrayed in Bugliosi's book or on the numerous cable T.V rehashings of the case
Oh Hendy, trust me I've been there too. My mom has spoken to professionals about my interest, yada yada. I think it's perfectly normal to be interested in murder cases. Colleges offer classes in serial killers. I even got assigned a project assigned on this case too in philosophy. This case is so fascinating, especially the Family. As long as no one is inspired to kill or harm others, I see no issue.
Exactly Lauren. This "dark" chapter of the 60's has held my interest for the last 31 years, so, since I was 11 years old. And the blogosphere, and this one especially , has made my interest explode all over again. And it's like an onion, you can just keep peeling the layers.
My parents, actually were always cool with my interest in Manson, both kidded me about it, and my friends always suggested -sarcastically - that I'm on some sort of "death trip" Lol!
Exactly Lauren. This "dark" chapter of the 60's has held my interest for the last 31 years, so, since I was 11 years old.
I first got interested in this in 1977. In 9th grade at Westborough Jr High in South San Francisco I took an English Class. I think it was called Detective Literature. I had to give a book report on a true crime book and back then there weren't that many. A friend loaned me HS. My dad saw it in my hand one day and flipped out. That's how I got started and I've never looked back.
Matt! Vagloaf!!I will never sleep tonight. Ewwww vagloaf gross gross gross
I have the Bravin book, I got it from Amazon. I thnk it is a totally essential read, gives such a different perspective and really lets Squeaky speak for herself.
Seems she shot at Ford because she was literally desperate to see Charlie again. Once arrested and in court, she wanted the judge to issue a subpoena for Charlie, to speak about her personality as "he's the only one that knows me." The judge was totally perplexed and tried to understand why this would be relevant especially since Manson hadn't seen her for years and so could not say what she was like. Squeaky informed the judge "That's why I came here" (to the court) as if it was a cocktail party. "I may as well just leave" she said when the judge refused.
The things she says about this make her seem totally out of touch with reality. She wrote to all the Manson members, saying that her trial would be the Family reunion and "what colour robes would they like?" no idea that nearly all had shaken the whole entrancement off.
Why she dont make abortion?
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