Tuesday, April 29, 2014

Swastikas: Forward and Back



Patty has a new hypothesis about the swastikas that came after the exes on Mansonite foreheads. Notice Charlie and Bruce both have clockwise swastikas, like the BEL swastika. Almost like a big "fuck you," no?

Then in the 70's the girls have the reverse swastika that is stylized in the same way as the BEL swastika, but BACKWARDS. Another fuck you? "We are no longer exed out of your society, but we disagree with everything you are, so we are your mirror image."

Thoughts for a rainy day. People, the truth is right under our noses, right over their noses, and always has been. That's Patty's story and she's sticking to it.

Thanks to Candy and Nuts for many of the above images. You rock!


candy and nuts said...

yw Patty!!!!!!

Robert Hendrickson said...

Ah YES, if only we knew how to SEE under our noses. Wait a minute, isn't that what a "teacher" is for - to TELL us what's right under our nose? In California a "teacher" retires (on average) at $60,000 a year. That's more than the average "working stiff's" INCOME. Do you think ANY teacher is going to TELL you about that TRUTH? Maybe someone should write a book and it "The $60,000 booger."

Patty is Dead said...

Well Robert thats not quite what Patty was getting at, but she'll take it. xx

Suze said...

Mr. H, I always wait with great anticipation to read where your mind goes with each post.

Please don't ever go away!

Patty is Dead said...

Hi Suze xx

Patty is Dead said...

so do you guys think the direction of each swastika is arbitrary, or is there a pattern?

starship said...

I always heard the backwards swastikas were because the dumbasses were looking in a mirror while trying to copy a picture of a nazi swastika, hence it would turn out backwards.

Patty is Dead said...

off topic (kinda). Starship, do you recall which Vegas casinoes Leno frequented?

DebS said...

The swastika has been around for 3000+ years and originally signified good things.

"The word "swastika" comes from the Sanskrit svastika - "su" meaning "good," "asti" meaning "to be," and "ka" as a suffix" http://history1900s.about.com/cs/swastika/a/swastikahistory.htm

It was a migration symbol to Native Americans with the cross in the middle denoting the center of the Indian Nations and the arms, both clockwise and counterclockwise, signifying the paths that the different tribes took.

The Nazi's borrowed the symbol and it became a symbol of hate, the opposite of its original meaning.

Who the hell knows what Manson's use of the symbol means. I'm sure that he would attribute as many different meanings for it as people would like to believe. He seems to tailor his beliefs to suit whoever he is communicating with in the moment.

candy and nuts said...

I recall reading long ago somewhere that Charlie said he was being treated/and seen by the public as the most evil man in the world so why not use that symbol of the worlds other most evil hated man-Hitler? Perhaps afterward it was reversed to be the opposite thought of that-not sure the source read and seen so many things throughout th years

Robert Hendrickson said...

Maybe the fact that IT was first only an "X" in the forehead has some relevance.

BUT for those who wonder WHY my comments usually lead back to the "teacher" -

The ONLY difference between YOU and Charles Manson is YOU and HE had different "teachers"

YOURS "programed" YOU with the "establishment's agenda and HIS - well, HE learned how to hack into YOU-ALL's "program" and cause some serious FUN. Only trouble is: too much FUN is illegal !

starship said...

Hi, Patty,

That I don't know, but Leno was supposed to have purchased or had plans to purchase some land near in Nevada near Vegas and the first homicide report states that he and Rosemary were frequent visitors to Las Vegas, having visited there on March 15 and 16, 1969 and that subsequently he applied and received a loan of $5000.00 from his Bank of America.

Not sure what the LAPD doofusses mean by 'subsequently'? Did he borrow the 5 grand to gamble, or did he borrow the 5 grand after the trip to cover his losses?

Anonymous said...

Robert Hendrickson,

What I find interesting about your contributions here is that you offer a different way of looking at things.

There was something I wanted to ask you, and it is off-topic for this thread, but I'll ask anyway. When you were out at Spahn Ranch, did you at any time feel in danger or compromised in any way by The Family?

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aa11ct9 said...

Hi guys. I once read that Charlie's swastika changed from counterclockwise to clockwise after he was lighted on fire by that insane Hare Krisna.

It's very weird to me, since Hare Krisna "religion" is originally from India, and thus heavily conected to swastika.

Another weird detail is that Charlie sang about this in his song "I'm on fire", and that song turned to be almost completely a mantra. (second connection with India).

These are just a pair of details, of course. But I think they're not mere coincidences.

For those of you interested in oriental philosphy, heres another funny thread of sincronies:

The counterclockwise swastika is supposed to mean the flowing from spirit to matter. And clockwise from matter to spirit.

The turning from counterclockwise to clockwise means a obvious change.

The swastika is associated with Jupiter and, yes, with Fire!
(also, with the Sun) Therefore that change can be expressed through fire.

Here's another weird connection involving horoscope:

In Charlie's birth horoscope (birth chart) his Uranus (surprise, sudden or even violent awakening, psychic ability) is in Aries (fire, his head, his eyes), in his 12th house (the zone of hospitals and prisons, the natural house of Neptune, a powerful astrological ruler of India). This shows, among many other things, that some kind of psychic awakening was expressed through fire wich came from a “conflict or sudden awakening related to India (or Neptune)” and that changed him one way or another, inside a prison or hospital.

In other words he put the sign of fire in his zone of psychic awakening. And, thus, the fire went for him when the “conflict with India (or Neptune)” made its appareance and it was time to “awake from illusion”.

Ultimately is makes me think about that tapes with music of Manson that were supposedly burned after The Family was caught, and that were once in possesion of the Beach Boys. It was the end of that illusion for Manson, and then he carved an X in his own forehead. Mike Love was back from India, where he was with the Maharishi and The Beatles. He is a Piscis, the sign of Neptune.

Robert Hendrickson said...


Not so much at the Spahn Ranch, but I eventually realized that IF the Family wanted ME dead, all the guns in the world would NOT have stopped them. That also played a part in my selling most all of my guns, except my 38, which I still have today.

Anonymous said...

Thanks Mr Hendrickson for taking the time out to reply.

Cuntry Trash said...

I think Manson put on the first swastika backwards by mistake, haha. But he also swears it was put on in homage to indians which may be true since it is a native symbol used heavily in places Charlie lived like New Mexico and Cali. Though the girls also went deeper into the meaning of the swastika, which has been use dby every culture and used heavily in america before WW2. Arizona used to also use the swastika and was used by the government and adorned road signs in the 10-30s. It was a heavily used symbol especially in the southeast USA.

Cuntry Trash said...

*Southwest usa, I mean.

Mary said...


Doc Sierra said...

Patty, I keep emailing you and they're coming back undeliverable. Please call or email me.