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Out of curiosity I went to the California Inmate Locator website and looked for Leslie Van Houten.
She is no longer listed as being a prisoner of the state of California. I can only assume that she has been released to a halfway house.
That was fast!
California Inmate Locator webpage
Thanks to Jenn for providing a link to an Associated Press article to confirm that Leslie was indeed released on parole.
89 comments:
I'm sure all her fans are going to be celebrating and sending her money and other goods. I am not one of them. I'm sickened by this and feel terrible for the LaBianca family!
I must say I'm a little shocked. I knew it was coming, but that it is a reality is unsettling. Not that I suspect she'll commit ANY crime at all. Just that for decades most of us have assumed this would never happen. The crimes were too gruesome. The Manson name too tarnishing. Beausoleil had "only" one murder conviction and his chances of getting out seemed so remote. But here we are. Even Bugliosi couldn't predict the length of these prison sentences as he mentioned at the end of HS. He even predicted that Manson could conceivably be released "after the turn of the century, but not sooner." My sympathies go out to the Labianca family, who every day must live with knowing that the woman who contributed to the last sounds their loved ones heard was each other begging for life and screaming in agony now walks among the free.
Likely done in the dead of night.
https://apnews.com/article/manson-follower-leslie-van-houten-released-prison-9d288014802324371971ce8bd63a78e4
Thanks DebS,
While this news doesn’t brighten my day, knowing that the (recently silent) poster is okay - does.
Off topic, any bites on the Shea script?
It’s in the media now, but Deb broke it on MansonBlog. Life is good.
TorF, thanks for your concern. My husband passed away in mid March and that is why I suddenly quit posting. He beat his first cancer after 2 1/2 years of surgeries and recuperations. But just 3 months after he was feeling back to his old self he became ill again and was mis-diagnosed by two different doctors. He was told he had back strain. Long story short, we finally were able to talk the doctor into doing a simple x-ray and it revealed that he had tumors in both lungs. He had a biopsy, it was found to be small cell lung cancer, and he died 16 days later. I had a lot to cope with so took some time off. We were married for 44 years.
My God Deb I am so sorry. 44 is a lifetime. Please let me know if there is anything I can do to help. I will pray to my own deities for both of you.
Deb, so sorry for your loss. Peace to you.
I was going through the BBC news website just now and it's one of the stories there.
That seemed pretty fast, but I guess there was little sense in hanging around.
Condolences, DebS.
2 weeks in California and she'll wish she was back inside.
Wikipedia has updated that she was released
I can't.
Sorry for your loss Deb.
So sorry for your loss, Deb.
Within the application of the judicial process and it's intentions, I think this is the correct decision.
You can't rule that someone is to be eligible for parole, compile a near-flawless prison record for over 50 (!) years, demonstrate a long-standing remorse and responsibility for the commitment offenses and simply say "that's not good enough." Leslie has earned her release and I'm glad the State Of California is walking the walk in terms of it's own laws. I ultimately don't care either way too much about Leslie, only that the Parole Board and it's determinations act as the heft of the case as to why an inmate should be released. And as much as I basically despise Gavin Newsom, I think he did the correct thing by stepping away from his veto power.
I have no real problem with LVH being released, nor would I for Bruce Davis. The others remaining in prison are a different story.
Condolences to Deb, very sorry for your loss.
I hope life goes smoothly for Leslie and she can continue to lead a positive life.
My condolences also, Deb
My gosh Deb, I'm so very sorry. Peace to you and yours.
Peter said...
2 weeks in California and she'll wish she was back inside.
I was about to type - 2 hours of watching Tik Tok should do it.
My sincere condolences to Deb.
My condolences as well, Deb.
Whut
The first morning in 53 years waking up NOT in prison. Regardless of whether you agree or disagree with the decision to let her out
what the heck must that feel like!?
Alison Botha’s rapists and would-be killers just got released too. I’m much more upset about that one. They cut her throat 16 times and she had to fashion a sling to carry her intestines to walk to the road. While using her other hand to keep her head from literally falling off.
Leslie being paroled afer 50 years just doesn’t stir a sense of injustice in me like in Alison’s case.
Welcome to "Helter Skelter" Leslie.....
Benito Green said...
LESLIE BEING PAROLED AFTER 50 YEARS JUST DOESN’T STIR A SENSE OF INJUSTICE IN ME LIKE IN ALISON’S CASE.
A great point. There's a lot of outrage right now in the media about LVH's release but if we learned who's being paroled, what they did and how long they served, the outrage would no doubt disappear or be redirected for 2 minutes to the probation system. And it will likely land on funding to keep these people incarcerated. After all - who wants to pay more taxes to keep these people in jail?
Thanks to everyone for their condolences. It is very much appreciated.
After all - who wants to pay more taxes to keep these people in jail?
As opposed to the many valuable programs our taxes are currently funding, Right?
DebS- sorry for your loss. Cancer is horrible
I figured they had to let her out- she met all of the legal criteria (public outrage isn't one of the criteria). I seriously doubt she is any danger at all to anyone at this point. I doubt she will be able to creepy crawl a house in between naps and Matlock reruns.
Well, that went by fast.
Im not a fan, but I’m ok with this. Her original conviction was overturned, so unlike all of the do-defendants, LVH does not have that death penalty conviction on her record (even though the death penalty was then outlawed after their conviction). LVH was out of prison, and living and working in the “real world” for more than a year while her second and third trials proceeded. The second trial resulted in a hung jury, and the prosecutor then added burglary to the charges (because they stole a coin purse and clothes and some cheese and chocolate milk…) for the third go-around, and they finally got a conviction. She was sentenced to 20 yrs to life, and was already eligible for parole when she was sentenced. She, in my opinion, was the least involved - wasn’t even there on the first night. And on the second night, it has been argued that Rosemary LaBianca died from the stabbing from the larger knife wielded by Tex Watson that night. Mrs LaBianca was already dead when Tex told Leslie to “do something.” And like Jay said, she met every criteria for parole, there really was no legal reason to keep her imprisoned. Yes, it feels gross to us, who have been terrified of all things related to Charles Manson. Our outrage comes from an emotional response, and while that feels valid to us, our moral outrage really has no legal weight. I don’t see any of the other Manson do-defendants being paroled - I think this is just a unique situation. I hate what Manson and his followers did back in 1969, and I hate the fear they instilled in our country, with their bizarre behavior at their original trial. I won’t be sending her gifts or flowers. But I’m not going to lose sleep over this one.
I just can't get over the lack of remorse at her trial... To me that was almost as horrendous as the actual crime
I am happy for her wishing her well hope she speaks out to young people.
I hope she goes on a rampage.
Cisco Budge said...
I hope she goes on a rampage.
Of internet shopping?
That's entirely possible.
Of internet shopping?
That's entirely possible.
Yep, she's got 54 years of things like cosmetics, haircare products and clothes to catch up on.
@Anniemch210 Tex and Katie can rot; but do you think Bobby and Bruce have a chance? Bobby “only” killed one person and same with Bruce. Bobby has been recommended for release before, I can’t recall if Bruce has. And neither of those murders have to do with the Tate/Labianca crimes. Not directly, anyway.
I just can see it happening now, as I thought Leslie would never get out, even though I have long thought she absolutely put in the work and utilized prison for what it’s supposed to be for: rehabilitation. Clem committed the exact crime of Shorty Shea and has been out since like '85
As Annie said, LVH no longer had the death penalty as a penalty, unlike Bobby and most other Manson killers who were sentenced to death. Davis and Grogan were sentenced to life. In California, women typically serve less time for murder than men, so Bobby may stay in a little while longer as he's only had one parole recommendation. Davis has had seven recommendations between 2010 and 2021 but at his most recent parole hearing in 2022 he was denied parole so that doesn't look good. Tex has never had a parole recommendation and probably never will. Krenwinkel has one recommendation which is shocking considering she is convicted of 7 first-degree murders and was sentenced to death. The only one I can see getting out is Bobby, but with only one recommendation, it's probably years away. Plus, to parole another Manson killer so soon after LVH would just look like California has turned into a liberal hellscape with 1/3 of America's homeless, homeowners unable to buy home insurance and a cost of living that is quickly approaching a level only people like Brad Pitt can manage.
Clem showed the authorities where Shorty's body was located which no doubt aided greatly to his early release. Apparently, he plays blues guitar in the bay area and Schreck has made the ridiculous claim that he played with Hank Williams, Sr, but never took the credit because what musician would want to claim playing with such a famous, career-building performer when you can languish in the obscurity and poverty of blues musicians playing happy hour at the Tick Tock Inn?
Andy Taylor typed:
Schreck has made the ridiculous claim that he played with Hank Williams, Sr,...
That is actually a real ridiculous claim, seeing that Hank Williams Sr. died on New Years Day 1953, when Clem was a year and a half old. And speaking of Clem, today (July 13) is his 72nd birthday.
Waiting for this moment. This moment to be free
Sorry, Gorodish. An obvious typo that should have been "Jr." Take 2:
Clem showed the authorities where Shorty's body was located which no doubt aided greatly to his early release. Apparently, he plays blues guitar in the bay area and Schreck has made the ridiculous claim that he played with Hank Williams, Jr, but never took the credit because what musician would want to claim playing with such a famous, career-building performer when you can languish in the obscurity and poverty of blues musicians playing happy hour at the Tick Tock Inn?
Deb. I sent you an email and all of this bullshit is nonsense compared to what you have experienced. I am so sorry and I wish there were words to express how sorry I am for your loss.
I was 9 years old the first time I ever heard of Leslie Van Houten. I was at a 4'th of July day parade on Main Street in Cranbury NJ. My friends and I rode our bikes from the house down to the parade with our bikes wrapped in red, white, and blue cray paper and streamers in the same color taped to our handle bars. I needed to use a bathroom at some point and one of the people lined on the street knew my parents and told me I could go inside their house and use the "Pottie". When I was done and walking back outside I passed the living room TV and there was a report going about the case. I stood alone in the shadows and watched mesmerized while right outside, I could hear the sounds of celebration and joy. I got the chills and walked away and didn't think about it again for many years.
Until about 15 years later. I was in school in San Diego and someone had a sister who lived in the "Valley" and offered her house to 4 of us to go check out LA for the weekend. The second night there- her boyfriend got us all high and popped in the Video documentary of Helter Skelter. We were all scared shitless. After that weekend, when we got back to San Dog- I bought the H/S Book and read it for first time. It spooked me but after a few days- it was on to next thing.
15 years ago- I got interested in Scientology. Discovered the online world and many blogs and sites dedicated to Scientology. During this time I wound up in a few Manson blogs due to the connection. Through that I ended up visiting the sites, meeting some of the people associated with the family. There is a large community of people out there who are still fascinated 50 years later. Major motion pictures are still being made about this case with the biggest names in Hollywood almost 50 years after I first heard about this in that dark hallway when I was 9 years old. Leslie Van Houten was a top trending name on Yahoo today and mentioned on every single cable news outlet and mainstream media site I read.
Leslie is free. I disagree with every single person who compares this to any other case. There are no "Comps" for the Manson crimes. The Government has very few chances to send messages to people who think " I hope she goes on a rampage" other than to show them they will pay the ultimate price if they do. They did not do that in this case. For that, I am sorry. For the Labiancas families I am sorry. This was a crime that has touched 5 decades of the public conscious, and although every single one them has blamed Charlie for influencing/ordering the crimes at some point- the face remains that Leslie is the only one who asked in.
But she is in a halfway house and it is what it is.
I think in Golf parlance those who are happy should keep it to a bogey clap level though. quiet and muffled celebration is probably appropriate.
DebS, I'm so sorry to hear about your loss. I've been with my partner for 38 years and am now his carer and honestly can't fathom the inevitable.
St.Circumstance said:
"I was 9 years old the first time I ever heard of Leslie Van Houten. I was at a 4'th of July day parade on Main Street in Cranbury NJ".
I grew up 16 miles south of you, prior to relocating to London.
I obtained a degree I haven't actually used in the real world but social scientist "me" is insanely fascinated at the challenges Leslie will have to navigate after finally being sprung. No doubt she is more than fluent in things such as budgeting for commissary, counselling/mentoring inmates and had the self discipline to embark upon and obtain degrees. I know she did secretarial work outside while awaiting her re-trial so she's clearly capable of working before she reaches her dotage.
Even so, with the 18 or so months Leslie was out, she had 45 years solid incarceration, in other words, her 2nd trial saw her in prison from the age of 28 to 73. Again, I mention commissary and budgeting as Leslie would be thoroughly conversant with the value of goods inside but I can't imagine what it would be like for a 73 year old to suddenly have to learn the value of money outside when the last time they did was in the mid to late 70's. This, as well as trying to re-integrate into 2023 society? I kind of liken it to "The Brady Bunch Movie" where the Bradys somehow arrive from the late 60's/early 70's and crash land in the mid 90's.
I really hope someone in academia eventually writes a case history surrounding Leslie and her re-integration into society, I think it would be a fascinating read. I don't see it happening though, if as she stated, Leslie fully intends to stay off grid.
What I've found strange is that in the British Press, Leslie's release is seen as setting a precedent. "The only 'Manson Murderer' ever released" etc... Clem is completely overlooked. I'm wondering why? Did a ranch-hand not matter so much?
Blogger Milly James said...
What I've found strange is that in the British Press,....etc
You provide the clue yourself - British Press. In fact, most media these days.
Googling 'facts' for their stories, no datachecking, no journalistic investigation and probably using AI to write the damn thing.
Hell in a handbasket.
@Milly James Clem wasn't (directly) involved with Tate-LaBianca; so I doubt anyone other than Manson-true crime fanatics even know who he is
Off Topic:
An arrest has been made in connection with the Gilgo Beach murders sometimes called the Long Island serial killer murders.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ohlcSmWRdk4
I have so many mixed feelings about Leslie's release. Personally, I would never release anyone convicted of 1st Degree Murder, because I believe that if you take someone's life other than in self-defense, you forfeit your right to live within society. But if you compare LVH's crimes to those of many others released on parole in California with far fewer years completed of their sentence, there isn't a legitimate argument for keeping her beyond bars once the Parole Board recommended her release multiple times. We have to consider that justice should be blind and that if you take away the notoriety of her case, her release would simply be that of a woman who spent over a half-century incarcerated for some horrible things she did when she wasn't even old enough to vote (if her crimes were simply 'The LaBianca Murders' and not 'Tate-LaBianca', nobody other than the family would even remember a 64 year old home invasion slaying).
On the bright side, Leslie was punished severely. She was led to believe for years that she was likely to be released, only to have multiple parole boards and governors yank that freedom away. She actually got a brief taste of what her adult life could have been during that short stint in the outside world before they locked her up again. In the 90s/early 2000s parole hearings, she still seemed hopeful and energized by the potential to live a substantial part of her life away from prison. By the final hearings, she was more like the resigned old Red in 'Shawshank Redemption' - she forfeited most of her life as a free woman, and now that she's out, she can basically circle the drain until she moves on.
I do truly hope that she does have remorse for participating in the deaths of Leno and Rosemary, and I hope she finds a way to spend her remaining years doing something to honor their lives she helped cut short so tragically. I can't imagine what life will be like for someone who spent most of the past 54 years behind bars for committing a crime that a good portion of society will never forgive her for.
Well...Dianne Lake seems to have been kinda blindsided by her book writing associate...
https://youtu.be/64f0A3C-W6o
If elderly murderers with good prison records and decades of therapy and good plans for life after release are not paroled, how will we have room in prison for the young manic non-geriatric killers out there killing and ready to kill again in our prisons?
Benito & Tragic - Thanks for commenting. If Clem got out, why not Leslie? Why is Leslie's release so very onerous when Mr Grogan has been living his free life for ages? Of course, he had something to bargain with i.e. the location of Donald Shea's remains. Leslie had nothing to bargain with. Her corpses were in place. My view, for what it's worth, is that the murder of Shorty Shea was horrific. If Grogan got out, so should Leslie. She's served far more time than he ever did and he's never had to explain himself quite so much yet his crime was at least equal in vileness.
Please insert comma between much and yet. Can't edit. Makes no sense otherwise. Cheers.
Blogger Milly James said...
Benito & Tragic - Thanks for commenting. If Clem got out, why not Leslie?
I didn't say she shouldn't.. My disdain was aimed at the media. I think she's met the legal criteria to be paroled. Clem got very lucky imo.
If we are to believe in law we must believe that the same laws that punished her also laid down criteria to prove her rehabilitation, which she has exceeded.
Inconsistency is the problem - with often vast differences in sentencing between countries, states, judicial 'mood' and time of offending. There are always going to be comparisons that don't make sense. That will happen when subjective decisions are made. I don't think there's much argument that notoriety of crimes usually extends incarceration periods. Ironically, that was one of Manson's main motivators imo.
Leslie Van Houten did over 50 years of time for the equivalent of "Accessory to murder" and "abuse of a corpse."
"Clem" took an eager & active part in Shorty's awful brutal bloody demise, and he's been out playing guitar and living it up for decades now.
Van Houten's release doesn't bother me at all. It's time, and she's served her time.
TEX is the butcher. Now if HE got out (unlikely) I would be upset.
And to Deb S ... My sincere condolences. I lost my wife of 36 years some time ago. I will hold good thoughts for you. You are imho the best poster at this site, and your posts are the main reason I come here.
Doug said...
Well...Dianne Lake seems to have been kinda blindsided by her book writing associate...
IMHO both Dianne and her co-author were taking a great opportunity to sell a few more copies of their book. I can't fault them for that, it's the American way.
Leslie should do talk shows/interviews for money. It's the American way.
To DebS:
My sincere condolences, I know just how you must feel, it is devastating.
I've been with my husband for 36 years, and he had a serious artery bypass (groin to groin), was fine and walking for 3 months. Then blood clots in one leg, another 5 hour emergency surgery to clean out arteries in both legs.
He has been gone over 2 months, first the hospital for ages, now physical therapy facility to regain the use of his lower legs from the surgery. I don't need to tell anyone how these facilities are, I'm sure there are some which are upscale, but insurance companies make the rules as to where you are allowed to receive care.
And I am sure I will be taking care of him full time when he does come home, and he is not that old.
DebS, you are in our thoughts!
Her co-author is shameless. She talked over Dianne throughout the video as she made certain that she had control of the so-called "interview" in order to ensure that books were $old.
She even completely bulldozed over Dianne's difficult memories of her interactions with Tex, Pat, Leslie, etc, that she experienced at the apex of her time with the commune.
Even if she had planned to go there in advance...even if she felt that she had Dianne's consent to go there...the entire episode was in the worst possible taste imaginable.
$elling books on the back of Van Houten"s parole is bad enough but, her stating up front that Dianne wa NOT interested in making a statement and then controlling the direction(s) that the interview was to touch base on her feelings about Leslie's parole and Dianne's experiences with Leslie from her joining up with the Family and throughout the trial...brutal. And, the time spent on Leslie took a significant back seat to the woman's agenda.
What a pariah
I have to say that I feel for Dianne...even if she comes across as being super hokey. Her experience with the Family was a very brutal one
My love and my deepest condolences to Deb S for the truly tremendous loss you've experienced. I can only imagine how the immense devastation and the mourning process is/has been to make sense of and work through. I know that we have communicated via email a few months ago but I just wanted you to know that you have remained in my thoughts and I am continuing to send you all the positive healing energy possible.
Huge Canadian hugs always
I also would like to take a moment to send RonnieJersey and her partner all the positive healing energy possible and, to wish for you both to have the strength and resolve to successfully transition your home into a place of both physical and emotional healing.
Please make sure that you both know that you have a wealth of people here that love and support you as you take on the challenges ahead.
Doug,
Now you've got me wondering whether Dianne decided to write a book and sought out a coauthor or whether the co-author sought her out and convinced her to write the book.
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I am so so confused. St. did a big announcement that he was gone. Why is he still here? Cry harder ST
Mrs. LaBianca wasn't a corpse, sir. She was a living, breathing human being with a soul when Leslie and her two co-defendants (plus Manson) busted in and started the rampage. Mrs. LaBianca had to also listen to her husband be murdered in the next room. It is horrible that people would disregard her in such a manner, and give no thought to her suffering. That's just wrong. Whatever you may feel about LVH getting out of prison is all well & good, but don't minimize on her behalf.
Now he's back. And better than ever !
This time it's for keeps.
Touche Tragic and Kraut.
Doug- I've read Dianne Lake's book. What is the issue with her co-writer? I honestly don't know. I thought it was very good. I could give her parents a kick up the Jack C mind you!
I don't know quite what to say other than my thoughts are with everyone on here who is experiencing bereavement or ill health. I hope your Gods are with you at this challenging time. I'd prefer Doug's Bear Hug myself, but I am British and can't express myself quite in that manner...
Doug said...
I have to say that I feel for Dianne...even if she comes across as being super hokey. Her experience with the Family was a very brutal one.
Doug's statement above reminds me of how curious I am about Dianne's accent. Does any one recognize it as being from any particular region?
Isn't Lake from Minnesota.
Thank you beauders.
Dianne's book indicates that she lived in Minneapolis until she was approximately twelve. This should have been long enough for her to develop an accent or lack of one. I realized it's the way she draws out words, possibly as she's thinking of what to say, that struck me as distinctive.
She's a bit shifty in these YouTube posts
Talking over Dianne as well as pushing her agenda on Dianne imho
Deb, I'm so very sorry to hear about your husband. I hope you're doing ok. We've never met in person, but I still feel close to my mansonblog family!
Doug:
She's a bit shifty in these YouTube posts
Talking over Dianne as well as pushing her agenda on Dianne imho
Rosie Tate Polanski Lite?
Not really. Just bossy and highly interruptive.
Like most interviewers that I hear.
To be fair to her, she does reply if you write to her.
How long b4 y'all have a pic of her in halfway? LOL
Deb, Thank you for your hard work and getting the information even before the media! This blog is the best.
However, mostly I want to send my condolences. The love you've shown toward your husband has touched my heart.
Doug:
Thank you so much for the kind thoughts!
And my husband, after 3 months, has finally started to stand and walk again just yesterday, an absolute miracle!
I'm a woman (just so you guys know), and am so relieved and happy for him, I can see how difficult life is for those with handicaps, I am grateful every day for being healthy.
As for Dianne Lake, I cannot understand her selfish parents. She is so lucky she made it out alive.
Interesting and personal editorial:
https://www.latimes.com/opinion/story/2023-07-12/leslie-van-houten-manson-family-parole-rosemary-leno-labianca-murder
I suppose the real discussion is about what the purpose of parole is. I think LVH lied about her involvement. I believe LVH's own words that she wanted to go with them and get her feet wet in blood. I believe she had a huge pent up reservoir of hate. I do not believe she only stabbed a dead person.
I also believe an identical series of murders unrelated to Manson would have seen her released in 1987
I do think a requirement of her parole is that she has to answer 100 questions from researchers. Questions culled by Cielo and Deb S. Truthful answers.
Her release, unlike Fromme's, is optional. She should answer our questions. Grim can do ten of the 100.
ColScott said...
...Her release, unlike Fromme's, is optional. She should answer our questions. Grim can do ten of the 100.
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She'll be dead before he finishes dissecting her first answer.
Grim,
You have my apology for what I am about to say.
Tragical History Tour said...
She'll be dead before he finishes dissecting her first answer.
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That was the funniest comment since someone put W-I-L-B-U-R-R-R-R beneath a photo of Leslie.
Not sure why the blog is dead. I am enjoying my first covid and wow not fun.
I see the Tate Door is for sale but Stoner can't afford it.
I see also through googling that when Manson died Dear did a series or stories stating she stared at Charlie when he was arrested in 1970. Like she had a special audience.
Her lies continue
Lvh walks into a bar. " Why the long face?"
I can‘t even begin to guess what or how Leslie will be feeling on Tuesday Wednesday and Thursday.
Maybe she won’t think of it at all after all these years; but I hope she does. Her actions destroyed so many lives.
I will think of the victims and their families their friends and also Leslie’s family and friends. Two nights in August destroyed so many lives. I think she should be free now, but I hope she reflects on what she did in 1969.
Tragical History Tour said...
ColScott said...
...Her release, unlike Fromme's, is optional. She should answer our questions. Grim can do ten of the 100.
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She'll be dead before he finishes dissecting her first answer
Or certainly very tired. 😁
Hi I'm Danny Wayne Townsend's niece, Herbert Townsend is my Dad , I can't find my uncle Danny on the inmate search, did he get released?
Message to DEB
I’m just reading old blog posts. I was really sad to read about your loss and I hope you are managing OK. I know that this takes a long time and I’m thinking of you., Kim
klms, thank you! I'm adjusting and doing pretty good.
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