Bugliosi ignored the cut wires at the Sebring residence. He also ignored another "cut wire" at the Cielo house. Researcher Josh Casey has posted this:
Pageant, Nov. 1969 issue
Ironically, the house where Sharon and her friends were found murdered had been wired to the Bel Air Patrol, but the service had been discontinued.
It is possible the disaster might have been averted if the service had
been "on," because an alarm is set off when power or telephone lines are
cut.
"the service had been discontinued."
....uh... by who? Sharon, Roman, or Rudy? Or was it at the Bel Air Security Patrol end?
Under what circumstances?
When?
If the service had been discontinued a year before, perhaps by Altobelli
in a cost-cutting move, it would have been unfortunate, but not
especially significant. But what if the service had been 'discontinued'
a week before, or the night before? Then it might have been very significant indeed.
(It
reminds me of the security guard at the estate adjoining the LaBianca
residence who was supposed to be there that night but was inexplicably
absent.)
You'd
think a little tidbit like this would have been considered worth
investigating, but this is the first I've ever heard of this. Now the
source might be a little sketchy, but it makes sense. Logically
speaking, the exact level of security the Polanskis were entitled to,
given what they were paying, would have been of interest to detectives.
But as far as I know, this topic has never come up anywhere.
The Bel Air Security Patrol got a full pass on this, imo. No harsh spotlight was ever shined their way. But they had a lot to answer for.
Chaos, by Tom O'Neill, pg200
On Doris Tate: "Like her husband, she'd conducted her own investigation through the years, becoming convinced that the Cielo house was under surveillance by some type of law enforcement at the time of the murders."
What would make a more perfect cover for the surveillors than as a member of the Security Patrol?
37 comments:
Starviego.
I've read that retired cororner Thomas Noguchi did the autopsy on murdered victim Sharon Tate.
A book came out a few months ago detailing Noguchi's alleged statements pertaining to the autopsy of Marilyn Monroe and other people.
It was a "shocker" to me the allegations Thomas Noguchi makes pertaining to the autopsy of Marilyn Monroe
(Totally Shocking)
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https://nationalenquirer.com/coroner-who-performed-marilyn-monroes-autopsy-reveals-shocking-new-details-about-botched-exam/
How much of his allegations are true?
Who knows🤷🤷🤷🤷🤷
Mario George Nitrini 111
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Interesting. Thanks, Mario. Can't believe Noguchi is still alive.
You're welcome Starviego.
Yes, Noguchi is 98 years old. I wonder what motive he has to make the allegations pertaining to Marilyn Monroe after all these years?
Mario George Nitrini 111
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This reminds me of the time someone found out there was a recorder running in Nixson's office.
Starviego.
Here is a Facebook post made by George Christie
(Former spokesman and National President of the Hell's Angels
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https://www.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1076717020490933&id=100044579342951
pertaining to the Straight Satan's & the Satan Slaves pertaining to The Charles Manson Family regarding their time at Spahn Ranch
George Christie doesn't talk much about the "situations" he knows pertaining to The Charles Manson Family and Spahn Ranch.
I pressed George Christie hoping he would give specific details pertaining to what he knew that went on at Spahn Ranch when the Charles Manson Family lived there
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https://www.mansonblog.com/2019/01/manson-in-mexico.html?m=1
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https://www.mansonblog.com/2021/12/ivor-davis.html?m=1
Mr Christie got mad at me and blocked me on Twitter.
I'd like to see you do a "deep-dive" and give your opinion regarding this situation.
Thanks....MGN111
Mario George Nitrini 111
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Careful Starviego - with a post like this, however thought provoking it is, you might incur the wrath of the “no speculation allowed” police on here. Inside of the box thoughts only please ;-)
Hello Mario! I was wondering about you a few posts back. You've been off the circuit for a bit. Marilyn Monroe's death is indeed 'fishy'. The Miner Memorandum etc. Now, I'm aware the housekeeper, Mrs Murray, retracted her original statement in her later years (which everyone knew was BS anyway), but what has Noguchi said in his dotage?
Unfortunately I can't access the link. Anyone else?
Hi Ms Milly.
Try this link.
AOL...same information
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https://www.aol.com/bombshell-revelation-marilyn-monroe-autopsy-224131284.html
Or this one
Yahoo
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https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/articles/coroner-performed-marilyn-monroe-autopsy-144255610.html
I agree with you Ms Milly
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(Fishy)
Mario George Nitrini 111
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My thoughts exactly ! Very well put Speculator. I was shocked when the post about the vice presidential dinner was taken down. Open discussion only on someone else’s terms is not open discussion
"I'd like to see you do a "deep-dive" and give your opinion regarding this situation." -MGN111
I think if Mr Christie had wanted to expand on what he knew of Charlie, he already would have. I get the feeling Christie himself never visited Spahn or met Charlie, so I don't know if there's anything there to do a 'deep dive' on.
I was told that George Christie visited Spahn Ranch when the Charles Manson Family lived there.
He never admitted that to me though.
Whether he ever met Charles Manson?
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I don't know
From my twitter account, I asked George Christie this
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Mario Nitrini
@nitrini1950
Sep 12, 2017
Part 4
@georgeFPC
Mr Christie ..can you respond to me about some of what you know about Spahn Ranch/ the Manson Family? The OJ Simpson Case
His answer
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George Christie
@georgeFPC
Well that's a complex question. I will tell you this there was lots of partying going on up there
11:23 AM · Sep 12, 2017
Anyway, that you for replying back to me Starviego.
Mario George Nitrini 111
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Proud and happy to be known as a member of said "police" if my efforts help in any way to keep garbage off this forum, or at least significantly reduce the amount of it. My efforts may well be in vain, but I know it's the right thing to do and your snark will in no way dissuade me from continuing.
I don’t think I’ve seen any garbage, as you put it, on here. I have seen, at various times, what could be called completely irrelevant exchanges about the 60/70s music scene though! I wouldn’t dream of calling them out or complaining though as it should be an open forum as Adam pointed out in the previous post. But I find Starviego’s posts far more thought provoking, interesting and relevant than, say, the music chat. Each to his own though.
I wouldn't believe a thing that Tom O'Neil guy says about anything. All his "evidence" seems to be based on speculation, rumors, and he said/she said. Next...
The Bel Air Patrol's job--the purpose of their very existence--was to protect the property and lives of the people in that exclusive enclave. They employ retired cops, the very people who know how to spot people who shouldn't be there, and who know what gunshots in the dead of night sound like.
Now put yourself in the position of the detectives in the first 48 hours on the case. One of the first things done would have been to arrange a visit to the Patrol's office, and ask to interview every person on duty that night. And then asked to see the logboooks and any audio recordings of calls going back at least a week. And then might even asked to interview every person employed by the Patrol. And of couse the Patrol, consisting mostly of retired or even moonlighting cops, would be expected to cooperate fully. So whatever happened to all that evidence?
What exactly do we know about the Bel Air Patrol? Were they under a contract to provide any kind of security services at all to the property at 10050 Cielo Drive?
Dec 1967 Candice Bergen writes article for "Esquire" 'Is BelAir Burning?'
"Inside the gate is a rose-infested bungalow housing the Bel Air Patrol, a sort of Special Forces squad of pristine policemen... ..they keep teeny-boppers away from Bel Air's celebrity residents(Elvis).. or celebrity transients(The Beatles)."
Strangely ineffective on the night of Aug 8th, 1969, though. If Bel Air was a 'gated community' how come nobody in the Patrol ever noticed the Watson crew coming and/or going? Twice. (referring to the return visit at the 3:30am-4am timeframe)
Or maybe it was three times. You might even include the evening of the night before, on the 7th, when Charlie may have been up at the top of Cielo Dr. See here:
https://www.mansonblog.com/2024/09/was-charlie-at-cielo-night-before.html
An "area of silence" (in Ed Sanders words) seems to have enveloped the issue of the Bel Air Patrol early on. You won't find any video or media interviews of any of them. They were rarely mentioned in media accounts at the time. They were never subpoenaed to testify.
And thus they never had to explain their catastrophic, spectacular failure the night of the Cielo murders. You start pulling on that thread, who knows what could turn up.
starviego said:
And thus they never had to explain their catastrophic, spectacular failure the night of the Cielo murders. You start pulling on that thread, who knows what could turn up
We know exactly what would turn up.
Nothing.
Speculator said:
Careful Starviego - with a post like this, however thought provoking it is, you might incur the wrath of the “no speculation allowed” police on here
By all means, continue to come up with speculation that goes nowhere and "provokes" thought. Just as people are allowed to come up with out of the box speculations with nothing whatsoever to back them up, other than an intense dislike for LE or the "conspiracy theory gene," 🫨🫠 others are allowed to call bullshit and back that up with a lot more than what is often presented.
Adam logobie said:
I was shocked when the post about the vice presidential dinner was taken down
I wouldn't say I was shocked, as it has happened before and I've complained about things that people have said being struck out. I thought the criticisms that Star was getting were worthwhile and made for good reading. I thought the comebacks on his side of the debate were interesting.
Open discussion only on someone else’s terms is not open discussion
Agreed. I've never liked it when people's comments are wiped, let alone whole posts. For the record, Star knows that in general, I disagree with most of his speculations. And Speculator and I have had plenty of run-ins on these pages. But I've always enjoyed the debates. Agreement is not necessary, even when one party is asking what the subject of the post has to do with the case.
Grim did you and the Col meet up when he was in London?
Grim - you seem to be annoyed that people might wish to speculate about what they perceive as gaps and anomalies in some of the circumstances surrounding these murders. It’s extremely unlikely that any new hard evidence will come to light now all these years down the line. So on the basis of what you offer in argument, this site may as well shut down. If on the other hand, posters highlight gaps and/or anomalies which may then invite logical and critical thinking what is wrong with that - even in the absence of hard evidence. The anomalies exist irrespective of hard evidence pointing one way or another. I mean it’s not like anyone is suggesting that aliens came down and had a hand in the murders :-) ! These are quite reasonable questions to ask which can be politely refuted if that’s how you see it. Why don’t you respond to what has been said rather than trying to ridicule it. The Jack the Ripper murders are still being analysed, investigated and new theories posited over 120 years later because the case has mystery around it as many believe this one does too.
We did. Eggs were eaten and facts were beaten.
Tom half assed his researched, proved nothing, shrugged his shoulders and said "Could be maybe amirite?" His trolling the boards as Vera Dreiser is such journalistic malfeasance as is threatening the families of the victims. He and his book are garbage.
Speculator - everyone is entitled to their own opinion, not to their own facts. The uneducated like yourself who push nonsense as facts always claim "But it is just my opinion" while supporting bullshit and lies they don't even understand. There are people out there who use nonsense to lie about Bryan Kohberger's crimes. They twist and misuse facts and call it lunch. These people are idiots. They cannot be stopped. Grim is simply pointing out you are one of these people.
Mr Mxyzptlk-
I recently was on Instagram and asked Jack Schlossberg, the grandson of our last great president John Fitzgerald Kennedy how much wood COULD a woodchuck actually chuck if a woodchuck could chuck wood?
He seemed enraged at the very idea of chucking wood, and went off on a tirade about how his worm addled uncle was ruining everything with his evil anti vaxx stance as well as his support of the Moxley girl's killer.
We argued on DMs for a while and then hugged it out and concluded the likelihood that a member of Huey Duck's Woodchuck Brigade likely killed his Grandfather from UNDER The grassy knoll !
Lee Harvey Oswald IIIIIIIII, Deceased
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Con Scott (sic) - thank you for your incredibly insightful comments. I feel humbled to be in the company of someone who is clearly so well educated - alas an education is not for all of us as you so eloquently point out. I haven’t pushed any nonsense though, as you put it. I merely pointed out how dismissive some people are on here of other posts - only the educated posters though of course. Anyway, I hope the eggs on London were good and matched your intellect (poached not scrambled I mean). Sounds like Grim must’ve paid given your little love in :-)
10050 Cielo is not in Bel Air. Do you know for a fact that Cielo was patrolled by the Bel Air Patrol?
shoegazer said...
Do you know for a fact that Cielo was patrolled by the Bel Air Patrol?
No, we don't know that. Which is exactly the problem. Why don't we know that? Apparently no one ever bothered to ask the Bel Air Patrol!
It should be pointed out that Olivia Hussey apparently did contract with the Bel Air Patrol after the murders.
Researcher Nancy Farrell:
"According to Olivia Hussey, after the murders they had a button at Cielo under a desk that connected directly to "the Bel Air Police" I think she probably meant the Bel Air Patrol, the private security company."
Shoegazer said :
"10050 Cielo is not in Bel Air. Do you know for a fact that Cielo was patrolled by the Bel Air Patrol?"
This does not answer your question, but the "Bel Air Patrol" is mentioned in the Tate First Homicide Investigation Progress Report. Two Bel Air Patrol officers reported hearing 3 sounds. One was located south of both Cielo Drive and the Westlake School, at 10231 Charing Cross in Holmby Hills. The second was located east of Cielo Drive at 2175 Summitridge Drive. Neither of these places are in Bel Air.
At some point it was. The mailbox had the "Protected by Bel Air Patrol" sticker
The mailbox on Aug. 9
Then shortly after the murders the Bel Air Patrol sticker was painted over
CieloDrive, thanks for the enlarged view of the mailbox sticker. I've spent a long time trying to decipher what was printed on it.
I have an clear one somewhere but can't find it right now
Oh to be a fly on the wall
It seems that there would have been receipts from the Belair Security Patrol or cancelled checks from the Polanskis indicating they had employed it. The next question is who painted over the decal?
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