Weird commonalities between Spahn and Cielo

 Weird commonalities between the Mansonoids and the victims at Cielo Dr.

--Esalen

Charlie had been by Esalen at least two or three times. Dianne Lake and Lynette had been there too with Charlie.

Sharon Tate, Abigail Folger, and Rudy Altobelli had also been guests there.


--Civil rights do-gooders

Abigail Folger had done social work down in the ghetto in the spring of '69, and several civil rights placards were found in the bedroom she occupied at Cielo. 

Box14 vol3076 pg137of302
(Sandra) Good was in something called the Black Students Tutorial Program... she knew black militants at San Francisco State


--Military Deserters
 

Box 12b pg186of358
LA Times article Aug 10, 1969
"She(Garretson's mom) said he(Garretson) told of entertaining young friends in his caretaker's quarters including ... an AWOL Marine later caught and sent to the brig."

Manson had his own AWOL Marines in the person of Family associates Vern Plumlee and Robert Russell


--Black Panthers

The Family thought Charlie had shot a Black Panther, and the plan was to blame the crime on the Panthers.

Restless Souls by Brie Tate c.2012 pg73
PJ: "Many speculated that the word PIG left in blood at Sharon's house was a calling card from the revolutionary party the Black Panthers."

Folger had her own link to the Panthers:

Restless Souls pg72
PJ surveils houseboats in San Marin(the Bay Area) as part of his own investigation in mid Sept. of 1969. A car he surveils "belonged to a high-ranking Black Panther... Even more interesting, the investigators link him to Abigail Folger's social work."


--Drugs

Drug use was widespread within the Family, of course.

Sebring was dealing at the retail level and Frykowski, at least, was using drugs heavily at times while at Cielo.

Use of Paranoia-inducing Stimulants:  Cocaine at Cielo, Meth at Spahn.

--Pedophilia

It is well known that both Charlie and Roman liked their young loves:

Patricia Krenwinkel 2016 Parole Hearing Transcript
DEPUTY COMMISSIONER LAM: what do you think of Manson today?
INMATE KRENWINKEL: ...he's a pedophile, he slept with girls that were 12 years old at the ranch, 13 years old, 14 years old, 15-year-old.

The Andy Warhol Diaries by Andy Warhol, pg110, entry of Feb, 1978
...(Movie Director)Stan Dragoti who was there said that he used to live next door to Roman in Hollywood and that Roman actually did date eleven-year olds.

And Jay too:
sensationalsharontate.blogspot.com/2010/03/rare-french-sharon-tate-article.html
Sharon on Jay Sebring "I called him the other day to find out how he was doing. He told me that now he was going out with a 15 year old girl."


--Hippies

The Family were identified as Hippies numerous times before and after the arrests for TLB

And Roman liked to refer to Sharon as his perfect 'hippie' wife.


--Witches
 

Box 30 pg79of738
"All the "guys" and appellant Manson called the girls "witches." "

RESTLESS SOULS by Brie Tate
PJ: "Finally, by the summer of 1965, Ransohoff cast Sharon opposite Diavid Niven and Kim Novak in the film 13(released as Eye of the Devil). The plot centered on the famous grape harvests of France, but with a twist, an ancient Wicca sect requires a blood sacrifice to save the harvest.
Sharon left London three weeks before filming began... to prepare for her role as the cult's high priestess. She spent ..afternoons with technical advisors who taught her the customs of black magic"
 

Box 12b pg166of358 LA Times article, Aug 17, 1969
"Abigail Folger... became increasingly fascinated with the study of black magic." ... "But Frokowsy and Miss Folger were involved with strange people. She was interested in witch-craft, Black Masses, that sort of thing...."


--Home video porn projects

Roman of course did his own filming at home, even his and Sharon's intimate moments.

And it is strongly suspected that Charlie did the same within the Family. With a little help from Charlene Cafritz and others

--Surveillance

It is well known that the Spahn Ranch was under surveillance by the cops before and after TLB.

"Born to Kill" video 2012
Hoyt at Spahn : "Charlie had Family members up here on the hill watching the cops watch us... so we were all watching each other. It was all fun..."

Chaos, by Tom O'Neill, pg200
On Doris Tate: "Like her husband, she'd conducted her own investigation through the years, becoming convinced that the Cielo house was under surveillance by some type of law enforcement at the time of the murders."


--Performing Artists

Both Spahn and Cielo Dr. were full of people associated with show biz, of one form or another/ See here:
https://murdersofaugust69.freeforums.net/thread/1347/performing-artists-tlb-case


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Is there something to this?  I suspect there is.  Now you may think these are just some odd coincidences between Spahn and Cielo, but how many of these commonalities do you see between Spahn and Waverly Drive? None of them.*

Was the counterculture on the low end(Spahn) chosen to attack the counterculture on the high end(Cielo)?  Demonizing the hippies while putting the fear into the Hollywood liberals?   Killing two birds with one stone?

*Though there is some evidence that Waverly Dr. was also under surveillance.