Thursday, August 15, 2019

L.A. in the Time of Charles Manson







45 comments:

Doug said...

Nice to see my friends Jeff and Steve (Redd Kross) getting airtime here...and, a few new and/or less frequently utilized sources.

Doug said...

This was in my local newspaper yesterday also...nothing new for us though...

https://www.pressreader.com/canada/vancouver-sun/20190814/282329681577897

Ajerseydevil said...

Pointless just the same shit we've all seen & heard a hundred times

starviego said...

Look at 24:30. What the hell happened to Schreck's ear?

Mon Durphy said...

He claims someone cut it off around the time of his 8/8/88 concert and points to it as part of the "evil aura" surrounding the case

Gorodish said...

Maybe it's his tribute to Gary Hinman ??

beauders said...

Sorry to tell you all but Watson has rereleased "Will You Die For Me?" as "Cease To Exist." Looks like Tex and his publishers are trying to cash in on the 50th anniversary. Supposedly the Son of Sam law does not apply in California and many others states. Watson is one of biggest scumbags on the planet.

Unknown said...

Yes

Dan S said...

Tex didn't play or sing right? He had D wilson first and then charlie marginalized him (tex). Tex was on the bottom of the family hiearchy. He and the new girl LK get something going so he's feeling powerful finally. You know he's selling speed, being the natural born dealer he is and he's got a giant jar of it. Or... his boring book is true and he's a zombie.
Lol the jock rejected by the band geeks turns trench coat mafia. Well if it wasn' t real life murder it'd be funny

Jenn said...

The L.A. Times had several good pieces the last week or so before the anniversary. I read the paper every day online, and it was nice to come across them. Go to latimes.com and search for Manson, or if there is desire, I’ll make a list of links.

shoegazer said...

On 16 Aug 2019, Dan S said:

"You know he's selling speed, being the natural born dealer he is and he's got a giant jar of it. Or... his boring book is true and he's a zombie. Lol the jock rejected by the band geeks turns trench coat mafia. Well if it wasn' t real life murder it'd be funny"

I recently read "Will You Die for Me". My impression is that either/or doesn't really apply. There are several pieces: corrupted, weak-willed frat-boy, drugged out follower (as opposed to initiator or leader), hyper-aggressive and animalistic opportunist.

He is a very complex mix, in my opinion. I'm in no way mitigating his part, but pointing out that his motivations were not simple, nor was Manson's exploitation of his tendencies. If you closely analyze the events at Cielo, and consider what had to have happened there to account for the wounds, etc., the absolute savagery of the attack that Watson actually admits involvement in is almost shocking. It's easy to view him like a dog that has killed some chickens, and likes it. Kills for the enjoyment of it.

This would be very useful to Manson. Keep Watson around solely for that.

So far as his "giant jar" of speed, what I'm seeing is this:

But when a young guy from one of the neighboring ranches began sneaking it over, Susan-Sadie, Bruce Davis and I started carrying it around in the bottom of a cigarette package. Later we hid it in a Gerbers' baby-food jar under the porch of one of the buildings.

What's your source for the giant jar?

Mr. Humphrat said...

Totally off-topic. I was wondering what the source was for the claim that Sharon and friends ate at El-Coyote Aug. 8 so looked at an old post from 2013 when the Blog tour ate there (Matt, Col., Patty) and it was said you guys actually went to the former residence of Rudy Weber and drank out of the hose (???) That seems like really crossing the line.

Mon Durphy said...

It's all relative, if it's sugar or flour then obviously a gerbers baby food jar is a tiny amount, pure speed, coke or meth and it's a pretty significant amount or what I'd call "giant" for sure

Mon Durphy said...

You're saying Watson can actually personally profit from the book? I thought I remember reading how Atkins had to surrender the proceeds of COSCOD to the families of the victims

DebS said...

Mr. Humphrat, the hose incident is just one of the reasons why Eviliz is no longer with the blog. The woman had no filters.

I think it was either Bugliosi or Sanders that said Sharon and friends ate at El Coyote the evening of the night they were murdered. Abigail's autopsy report somewhat confirms she ate Mexican food that night. On the last page of the report it states "The stomach contains a very large recently ingested meal in which apparently beans and corn with other unidentifiable material is identified."

https://www.scribd.com/document/35650486/Autopsy-Report-Abigail-Folger

shoegazer said...

On 16 Aug 2019, Mon Durphy said:

"It's all relative, if it's sugar or flour then obviously a gerbers baby food jar is a tiny amount, pure speed, coke or meth and it's a pretty significant amount or what I'd call "giant" for sure

Sounds like a confirmation that Watson's reference to speed in a baby food jar is the source of the "giant jar" characterization.

Mon Durphy said...

Yes,that amount of pure product stepped on and divided into portions for resale would net many thousands of dollars

Mon Durphy said...

Beauders where did you read this? Ive looked all over and haven't seen word one of this, even his own website makes no mention of it, will there be any updated content in it? If so I'd definitely buy it even if it's different stories from his years of incarceration

DebS said...

One can get the pdf version of "Will You Die For Me" at Abounding Love and it's free.

But, yes, it does look like the book has been re-released under the name "Cease To Exist" and it's for sale at Amazon. https://www.amazon.com/Cease-Exist-firsthand-account-indoctrination-ebook/dp/B07VLSFS1G

There might be a loophole regarding the profits on the book. Someone should look into this situation!

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Mon Durphy said...

Do you know if there's any new info in the updated version or just the name change, Deb?

Mon Durphy said...

I'm sure Debra will be all over his ass like white on rice

shoegazer said...

On 16 Aug 2019 Mon Durphy said:

"Yes,that amount of pure product stepped on and divided into portions for resale would net many thousands of dollars"

So then we might expect a news report of someone who is arrested for transporting a Gerber's baby food jar of pure methamphetmine as being in possession of "a giant jar of meth"?

I wonder how they'd describe a large skippy peanut butter jar of meth?

Mon Durphy said...

The only people carrying around Skippy jars of LEGIT product,not shit put together in a trailer park bathtub but LEGIT product are major dealers, that's a HUGE amount of pure product, cops jump for joy when they find the smallest ziploc bag with the bottom fifteenth of the bag full

Peter said...

I think California's Son of Sam law was struck down as unconstitutional but was rewritten to allow victims to sue for the proceeds.

CrisPOA said...

I really enjoyed seeing this video. To see all these people related to the case or that era. And that picture of Manson, the one with the green background, never seen that.

DebS said...

Mon Durphy said...
Do you know if there's any new info in the updated version or just the name change, Deb?

Not entirely sure but I doubt it. The length of the original is 223 pages including the photos and index. "Cease To Exist" is 204 pages according to Amazon, they don't say anything about photos which might make the difference. Either that or they took something out of it.

If you insist on using my formal name, it's Deborah. I'm kind of snotty about the spelling!

Mon Durphy said...

Oh ok, I thought I used your username but I just noticed I forgot the S, sorry about that, so in your opinion what do you think the reason was for the name change on the book? I know you're not in his brain but just your opinion

DebS said...

I don't know the reason for the name change but I question whether or not it was done with Tex's permission. The publisher is 2433 Publishing and I cannot find anything on that publisher. It was released July 30 2019, just a couple of weeks ago. I wonder if someone took advantage of "Will You Die For Me?" being offered for free on the Abounding Love website by changing the name of the book and printing up a bunch of copies. The PDF doesn't have the photos the hard copy has in it.

Why would Tex or Abounding Love suddenly start charging for a book that's still available for free on the website? I'm not terribly troubled by Tex getting ripped off, if that's the case, but I would be troubled by someone doing something this sleazy to make a buck or two around the time of the 50th anniversary. At least come up with something original!

Mon Durphy said...

Watching that clip the more I see of Jakobsen the more I realize what a two faced scumbag he is

Dan S said...

Typewriters, stabbing, whatever it takes he's gonna get in with the cool kids

Peter said...

He also may have failed to renew the copyright which I believe must be done after 27 years. Also by making it free he may have placed it in the public domain. You snooze you lose.

Gorodish said...
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Gorodish said...

DebS typed :

I don't know the reason for the name change but I question whether or not it was done with Tex's permission. The publisher is 2433 Publishing and I cannot find anything on that publisher. It was released July 30 2019, just a couple of weeks ago.

Looks like someone is trying to make/fund a "Tex Watson Story" movie, probably to cash in on the 50th anniversary of the murders. Here is the low budget website : Cease To Exist. They even copied the type font from the Beach Boys "Pet Sounds" album cover. This blurb from the website may answer your question :

"This is not a project attempting to excuse the murderers, nor to deprecate the level of horror committed. We simply want audiences (in addition to being riveted) to gain a new understanding of the story and the era.

Running a prison ministry for many years, Charles “Tex” Watson does not receive any financial benefit from this production, nor does he have any ability to control how his story is told in it. The producers’ promise to him in exchange for facilitating the transfer of rights for his book was that the story be told so that future young people do not make mistakes similar to his own.

The producers own all rights to the book and plan to republish it in connection with the production.


It'll be interesting to see if this project ever gets off the ground.....

Bobby said...

Hi Mom, Did Jacobson say things in this video that brought you to that opinion or is there more to it than that ? What is the two faceed and scum bag part of this . Thanks.
Bob

Bobby said...

Mon, sorry, didn't mean to type mom

DebS said...

Thank you Gorodish! I wonder if Tex was paid for the copyright to his book and if so where the money went.

Mr. Humphrat said...

That was interesting about the reporter in the trailer with the women on Spahn Ranch and having a tape recording of them in there.

Mon Durphy said...

He's just been on record saying good things about Charlie in places where millions of people aren't going to see it but every time one of these cookie cutter Manson the Boogeyman specials comes up it's Charlie had thise girls brainwashed, Charlie was a talentless loser, Melcher laughed at Charlie behind his back, etc, even in this little clip he basically brags about how he moved all of Dennis stuff out of his house in kess than a day while Charlie and the girls weren't there instead of just telling them to leave like a man, the more you hear and read about the "Golden Penetrators" or whatever their stupid name was the more you can understand why Manson couldn't stand their phony asses

Mon Durphy said...

I found that less than believable, why is it every time there's a new special like this one or two more of these people show up, the way I see it is it could be anyone on that tape

all8 said...
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all8 said...

Is there any musician, Pamela Des Barres didn't want to be with? Her and Cupid...go figure.

Mrs A said...

This is my first time posting even though I’ve been reading for years. I was four years old and remember being afraid of hippies and drugs. This boogie man reappeared in 1976 when I was ten in the book “Helter Skelter”.
This case always intrigued me. Sharon was gorgeous and a fashion icon to me. At 60s parties, I never dress as the “hippie” but I prefer the mod look Sharon exemplified with Go-go boots, maxi coat, etc....

I was interested in G. Jakobson’s interviews and agree he changes but I wonder if age and past reflection without drugs changes his perception? He seemed interested and intrigued by his philosophy in 1968 but then saw him for who he was later? G. Jakobson said Manson was really interested in the men on a Fox interview and I agree. He used the women. He thought he had some talent, but Melcher didn’t.

So many moving pieces but I do think “Helter Skelter” was the first part. Drugs and get the “brother out of jail” second.

Dan S said...

I wonder if it was less to start a race war and more tex trying to prove himself then labianca being a case off Charlie proving hinself (show them how it's done)

Dan S said...

Episode 5 season 2 of mind hun tweet. Haven't seen it yet but they do really good casting....

Dan S said...

Mindhunter