Monday, August 26, 2019

Frank Lynn Struthers Jr.

Frank Struthers Jr. and father cielodrive.com



Recently the blog was able to confirm that Frank Struthers, son of Rosemary LaBianca, has died.  Frank along with his half-sister Suzan and her boyfriend Joe Dorgan found his mother and step-father dead, victims of a brutal murder.  Frank was 16 years-old at the time.

Mary Neiswender reporting for the Long Beach Independent August 27, 1970 on Frank’s testimony at the trial.

Wednesday, Mrs. LaBianca’s 16-year-old son, Frank Lynn Struthers, a 10th grader at Marshall High School in Los Angeles, took the witness stand to describe how he discovered the body of his stepfather.
 “I went to Lake Isabella with some friends of the family, and my mother and stepfather came up to drop off our ski boat,” the youth related calmly.
 “They came back to pick up the boat and take it back Saturday, Aug. 9, 1969, and I intended to return with them, but the family I was staying with wanted me to stay with them an extra day.”
 The last time he saw his parents alive, he said, was when they left the recreation area with his sister, Susan, about 9 p.m. the night of the murders.
 “I left for home the next day…They (the family friends) dropped me off about 8 p.m. I noticed that the boat was still hitched to the car, but I opened the garage and put some of my gear away.
 “I went to the back door — we never used the front door — and I knocked, but nobody answered. I noticed the lights were off and the shades drawn, so I knocked on the den window and called but nobody answered.”
 The boy said he went to a nearby hamburger stand and telephoned the house, but received no answer. He then got in touch with his sister, who was living in an apartment. She arrived about 20 minutes later with a friend, Joe Dorgan, and the three went back to the house.
 “We got the keys out out of mom’s Thunderbird and opened the back door. We walked into the kitchen and turned on the lights. My sister stayed in the kitchen, and Joe and I walked through the dining room. When we got to the living room we saw Leno — my stepfather.
 “He was in a crouched position. We could tell right away…” the boy didn’t finish the sentence.
 “We turned around right away and headed out. Joe picked up the phone, but dropped it. We got in the car and went to a neighbor’s house to call police.”
 The youth, fought for composure as he identified his mother’s wallet, which police say they found in a service station rest room. Star prosecution witness Linda Kasabian testified she had placed the wallet there on instructions from Manson, who had taken it from the La Bianca home.
 Young Struthers also identified his mother’s watch and a “graduation picture of me” found in his mother’s wallet.


What a heavy load for a young boy to carry. 
Back in 1969 there were no such things as grief counselors or support groups to help someone navigate through the loss of a loved one.  There was certainly no one to speak to about losing a loved one to a brutal murder and having had discovered that murder.   A person was expected to suck it up, bury the emotion and get on with life.  It was doubly so for males. Females were given some leeway to at least cry about their loss but boys were taught not to cry back in those days, it was a sign of weakness.  There really was little in the way of an emotional outlet for grieving.
Not much is known about Frank’s life after his mother was murdered but considering his cause of death and the few things I was able to find about the last years of his life, Frank never recovered from his mother’s death and its aftermath.
Murders never consider the effect their act will have on their victim’s survivors.  They ruin more lives than the one they took.  Survivors are haunted by the images of the death, they have nightmares, they feel they should have been able to protect the victim, they feel helpless and powerless over their surroundings, they become preoccupied about their own safety and distrustful of strangers.  But perhaps the biggest emotion that they have to deal with is guilt.
I imagine Frank played over in his mind thousands of times a scenario where he came home with his mother and Leno instead of staying at the lake for another day of water skiing and hanging out with his friends.  Maybe he could have prevented the murders or at least gotten help right away.  Maybe they wouldn’t have died if he had been there.  Or conversely, maybe he would have been killed, too, and he wouldn’t have had to deal with the emotions he was feeling.
For Frank, his mother’s murder was never ending.  He was reminded of it over and over again.  Not a year has gone by since the murders that there hasn’t been a movie or a book or a television program or a news report or a new website about it.   
Frank’s death certificate, which I’m not going to post, states that he died at 63 years of age on June 16 2017.  He was never married and he had worked in the restaurant business for 20 years.  He lived in Placentia CA for the last 10 years.
Frank died at Placentia Linda Hospital.  The cause of death was 1. Acute respiratory failure (days) 2. Sepsis (days) 3.  Alcohol related liver cirrhosis (years)
He was cremated and his ashes were scattered off the coast of Orange County.
The informant for personal information on the death certificate was given by a cousin who lives back east.  A family tree at Ancestry gave his date of death but it got the year wrong.  It also shows that Frank had another half-sister besides Suzan.  The other, much older, half-sister had the same father as Frank.  She passed in 2013.

Rest in peace, Frank.

105 comments:

Mon Durphy said...

So he died in 2017 or 2019?

DebS said...

He died in 2017. There have been rumors that he died but no one seemed to know if it was true or when and where.

Mon Durphy said...

I remember Steven Kay saying in one of the countless TLB specials that Frank Jr had "moved to a place in the woods and only came down once every few weeks for supplies" or something close to that

DebS said...

I suppose it's possible that he did that at some point but, his last address was at a home in a subdivision in Placentia CA.

Mon Durphy said...

I feel bad for the kid, I remember in the homicide report there was an extensive investigation of Franks friends most of whom had been in juvenile hall, the consensus seemed to be that Leno wasn't well like among Franks friends

Jeff Harper said...

Rest in peace. Poor guy didn't outlive Manson. Yet another victim.

Destroyer of Opinions said...
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Peter said...

I think this would be a good time to discuss how innocent poor Charlie was because he never hurt anyone and how mean that bad old Bugluosi was.

Matthew Record said...

What a terrible experience for someone to go through. Had he ever gone to any of the parole hearings?

Mon Durphy said...

He was innocent in the TLB murders and guilty of shooting Lotsapoppa and assault on Hinman for slashing his face

Peter said...

He tied up the LaBiancas. Even if he believed that it was only to rob them as he said, death occurred during the commission of a felony. First Degree murder.

Jean Harlow said...

He didn't. His sister Suzanne LeBerge went to one of Tex's parole hearings and asked that Tex be released. That was about 1991.

ColScott said...

Jean: I gotta check but it feels earlier than that. I know Suzanne was stalked by Molesto Nelson mercilessly at one point. But it was weird to do that for Tex for sure.

Peter: leaving aside criminals talking about criminals, while Charlie was in fact guilty as you say the correct point is he didn't kill anyone. But there is no argument about the pebble in the water effect that murders cause....

Frank was another victim of Tom O'Neill, "Journalist" who just had to talk to him, it was really important, swear

Unknown said...

Even a disbarred lawyer from Torrance should know that he is just as guilty. Everybody just needs to stop with this meaningless distinction.

ColScott said...

Dear Unknown (such a clever handle)- reference is made to my second paragraph thirteenth word


If you want Charlie to be "The most dangerous man alive" the distinction is indeed very meaningful. I know you have trouble grasping things, but yeah

Peter said...

HAHA. The unknown poster that walks among you is I.

I think Charlie is a punk. So no problems there.

Peter said...

I would have thought that my sparkling wit and crisp prose would have given me away instantly.

Peter said...

And in reference to your 19th word. Its on the top of your head, but if you wear a hat, nobody will notice.

Jean Harlow said...

Colonel you are probably right I just remember Doris Tate was still alive. The interview with Suzanne and Tex on the religious program which name escapes me should still be on You Tube though.

John Seger said...

Charlie, at the very least, helped partake in the murder of Shorty Shae. He indeed killed someone. I think the disbarred lawyer in Torrance, with the ego of the land of make believe,is no more a colonel than Colonel Sanders. He even resembles him. Go write more letters to Bobby and rekindle the flame. Seriously though, RIP Frank Jr. Such horrible tragedy that had a horrific ripple effect on so many levels.

Destroyer of Opinions said...

John, the murder of Shorty Shea has always been a mystery. Did Manson do anything physical to Shorty to cause his death?

John Seger said...

Manson helped stab Shorty.

Ajerseydevil said...

I never killed anyone if I started killing people there'd be none of you left

Gorodish said...

Jean Harlow typed:

The interview with Suzanne and Tex on the religious program which name escapes me should still be on You Tube though.

Pat Robertson's 700 Club

I always have wondered what Frank thought of his older sister's strange relationship with Tex.

Peter said...

He didn't have to. That isn't how the law works. If you have a problem with that, you need to take it up with your legislators. Nobody here is arguing with you on whether Manson struck a killing blow to any of the victims. But that doesn't make him less culpable. In the grand scheme, that is a technicality. If you are arguing that Manson was not part of the conspiracy and never intended that anyone be murdered then make your case based on what's in the record. Otherwise it's just opinion. Which is fine, but don't get all twisted if nobody agrees with you.

Peter said...

I don't think he ever physically stabbed Shorty. He may have directed the others. And he handed Bruce the bayonet. But even Bruce doesn't say that Manson told him what to do.

Dan S said...

The sobriquet, "the most dangerous man alive," is earned by him NOT stabbing people but by his corrupting the youth, just like Socrates. Now, let me ask you, is that the correct use of sobriquet? And also, were there any charlie sightings three days after he died? We'll have to wait for gospels written 100 years from now for them to make that up.

Cielodrive.com said...

INMATE DAVIS: Yes. Yes, he was. And, uh -- and he -- he was saying why are you doing this and, uh, the only person I saw stab him was Manson and he said Charlie, why are you doing this? And Charlie says here's why, and he stabbed him.

PRESIDING COMMISSIONER ANDERSON: Where'd he stab him at, the chest?

INMATE DAVIS: In the mid-section somewhere.

PRESIDING COMMISSIONER ANDERSON: Okay.

INMATE DAVIS: And, uh -- and then -- then Manson turned to me and handed me a machete and he says I want you to cut his head off. And, uh, I actually took the machete in my hand but I knew I couldn't do it. I dropped the machete then he said -- he handed me a knife, he said well, you better do something. I got that message. Uh, Watson and Grogan with bloody knives looking right at me --

PRESIDING COMMISSIONER ANDERSON: Okay.

INMATE DAVIS: -- and he said you better do something. So I did.

David said...

Cielodrive said: " ...the only person I saw stab him was Manson..."

By the way, that is murder, not conspiracy to commit murder or felony murder.

Mon Durphy said...

Lol look who it's coming from

AstroCreep said...

Dismissive statement to lessen the credibility of the evidence- got it!

Dan S said...

Just another case of he stabbed she stabbed

Mon Durphy said...

There's a reason why CO DEFENDANTS testimony isn't accepted by itself, because they're let's see........LIARS AND KILLERS.....you're dismissed now

John Seger said...

Charlie was a punk that never deserved the "Most dangerous man alive" moniker. But not guilty is out of the question. He indeed was a murderer and coconspirator.

Peter said...

Once again, you've gotten the law wrong.

David said...

Maybe I can help.

Read this: https://www.mansonblog.com/2018/10/the-law-conspiracy-to-commit-murder.html

Dan S said...

Lying Landslide Lyndon B Leader Johnson

DebS said...

Plenty of people who were associated with the Family but were not co-conspirators testified at Shorty's trial to what Manson said about Shorty's disappearance. It was Manson's mouth that helped get him convicted. He admitted his complicity to many people.

I'm not sure what the big deal is about Manson getting convicted on conspiracy. Manson did not want to leave prison in March 1967. He consistently stated over the years that he did not want to leave prison after being incarcerated in 1969. He said that he could not live on the outside and that prison was his home, the only way of life that he knew and was comfortable with it. He never did one blessed thing to even attempt to be released on parole.

If Manson didn't want to be convicted of conspiracy he should have separated himself from the killers and gotten himself a separate trial, he never tried to do that. It was to his co-conspirators detriment that he didn't try to have a separate trial, too. He didn't care what happen to them and he didn't care if he went back to prison.

I don't understand why people would cry "free Charlie" when that was obviously something he didn't want for himself.

Can we get back to Frank Struthers and the victims' survivors now? This really isn't an appropriate post to put Manson on a pedestal.

Gorodish said...

Reiterating something I posted above (before the post got hijacked).......it would have been interesting to get Frank Jr.'s take on his older sister's defense of Watson at parole board meetings.

prefeteria said...

Manson tied up Frank Struthers’ parents in preparation for their senseless slaughter.

Unfortunately Manson’s white supremacist views attract the likes of Mon Durphy who while not on Stormfront, comes over here and expresses his hatred openly, without adding any logic to his supposed arguments.

John Seger said...

Gorodish said...
Reiterating something I posted above (before the post got hijacked).......it would have been interesting to get Frank Jr.'s take on his older sister's defense of Watson at parole board meetings.
I agree. I don't think he ever spoke about it, did he?
Besides the trial, I mean.
Does his whacked out sister still support Tex?

Gorodish said...

prefeteria typed:

Unfortunately Manson’s white supremacist views attract the likes of Mon Durphy who while not on Stormfront, comes over here and expresses his hatred openly, without adding any logic to his supposed arguments.

The problem is when other posters let him get under their skin and respond to him, and it winds up hijacking posts with the "Manson is not guilty" mantra he is so goddamned obsessed with. As much as I've tried, I have, on occasion, been guilty myself of taking his bait. The best thing everyone could do is when he (under his many aliases) injects his crap into a post is to ignore him.

David said...

Gorodish said: "As much as I've tried, I have, on occasion, been guilty myself of taking his bait. The best thing everyone could do is when he (under his many aliases) injects his crap into a post is to ignore him."

I have been guilty of it too and you are right

Unknown said...

That is very sad. Poor man.

AstroCreep said...

David/Gorodish-

The issue isn’t ignoring him, that’s easy. It’s that he’s engaged with continually by people here after he makes a non idiotic comment. If you’re going to ignore him, then that means ignore him.

Clearly he’s ‘touched’ and comes here to make his otherwise insignificant self feel better.

Like his uncle told him in the toolshed, negative attention is better than no attention.

Peter said...

Am I the only Puffer? Or are me and David the Puffer brothers? It's not clear from your post.

Peter said...

Or we could be a law firm I guess since we are both lawyers. Puffer & Puffer.

Peter said...

Puffer & Puffer LLP. "We're ashamed to be white" TM.

David said...

Mon Durphy,

Your racist remarks are about to be deleted. I think I asked nicely yesterday. The fact you make them is remarkably hypocritical.

I'm curious do you feel the same way about Rashida Harbi Tlaib?

Mario George Nitrini 111 said...

No doubt that the murder of Leno & Rosemary Labianca had a negative lasting effect on Frank Struthers.
I read where Satan Slave M/C member Joe Dorgan obtained a gun for Frank Struthers.

I am very interested in the relationship between Suzan LaBerge & Satan Slave M/C member Joe
Dorgan as pointed out here on this Manson blog-post
👇
https://www.mansonblog.com/2012/09/thoughts-on-labiancas-and-motive-on.html?m=1
I know a little about this. Matt can comment about it in this situation if he feels it is appropriate.

Also, Shoegazer, very courageous & brave of you to publicly state your opioid addiction from your past. Kudos to you sir.

Mario George Nitrini 111
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The OJ Simpson Case

ColScott said...

I feel bad for Frank's shitty life- he of course had no responsibility for his mother's murder.

The guy is a footnote to a footnote. Since the only missing piece is the REAL motive I can scarcely believe Frank knew it. Do any of you believe this?

John Seger said...

Colonel, absolutely not.

DebS said...

I don't think Frank had any idea what the motive was for his mother and step-father's murder. If he did he probably would have said something.

ColScott said...

yeah. That's probably the worst thing I could imagine- dead loved one for NO reason I could determine

John Seger said...

It is horrifically sad. The ripple effects of murder are so crippling and damaging.
I cannot even imagine the horror of coming home to see that in my home. Where I previously felt safe and loved. And then having to be reminded constantly because it was such an infamous crime.
Poor kid. I'm glad those idiots are rotting in prison forever!

David said...

Col said: "That's probably the worst thing I could imagine- dead loved one for NO reason I could determine"

Well said, sir. I can imagine nothing worse. I think that haunted Sharon's mom as well. And in a way it highlights how utterly unfeeling these people (murderers) were that complete answers have/were never forthcoming from any of them.

David said...

Mon,
Where were your dad and mom born? I think its a country that starts with a "P". Am I right?

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UtahBeach said...

At their 2017 reunion, the John Marshall HS Class of '72 held a small memorial service for Frank at Griffith Park. Jim Saffie attended. So he was not forgotten, thankfully. Pics online.

David said...

Well, Mon, what else I have is you are about as 'Lilly-white' as the women you insult, the blacks you describe in your Sundowner comments and the people of color you insult. You are one of 'them' by the standards you spew.

The difference between you and I is that I see nothing nothing wrong with the fact you are a person of color, at all, but you should at least embrace the fact that you are.

But to educate you perhaps you should read those books I cited on the other post. If the brown shirts win. You will have a triangle. Mine may be red, yours would likely be black.

By the way, I'm not the one deleting your comments, yet.

Pakistan.

prefeteria said...

Mirza - hopefully Allah will forgive you for the hate in your heart. Because Jesus Christ most certainly will not.

David said...

Oh Mon, you have gone too far for this roll-back. You talked about Sundowner towns in your home state of Missouri and how 'they' would be treated. You call us 'snowflakes' which is a reference to the ash that fell over the concentration camps. You make violent-leaning statements about women of color.

As you likely know from your childhood Allah will not forgive you.

DebS said...

UtahBeach said...
At their 2017 reunion, the John Marshall HS Class of '72 held a small memorial service for Frank at Griffith Park. Jim Saffie attended. So he was not forgotten, thankfully. Pics online.
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Thank you, UtahBeach. I'm glad he wasn't forgotten by those who knew him.

prefeteria said...

The Nazis would kill your parents, Mirza. Come back from the dark side while you still can. You can save yourself from the hate. It’s not too late.

John Seger said...

Can't we just ignore the Mon Durphy comments? He's pointless, negative and takes everything Off whatever topic a thread is about.

Jean Harlow said...

I would imagine not but who knows. Notice she did not support Pat, Susan or Leslie getting parole and Susan was born again as was Tex.

David said...

Mon, are you threatening me?

You see, that is what you do. "I'm gonna get you' doesn't work.

You are the one hiding from who you are. What was it you said? I think it went like this: 'Those people (African-Americans) don't come into our town after sundown or they get what they deserve." That would be you, and me.

"Niggers" geez, do you even know the origin of the term. According to the British Empire in its heyday, you are one.

"Hooked nosed Jew" please read the books I referenced, no, the Nazis didn't love the Palestinians. They saw them as a tool and that is what you have embraced not realizing your triangle was black and waiting for you.

Sorry John Segar, 'No' I can't. I want him to either back off or go away.

Your comments are gone because they are offensive to your own people 'our' people.

Prefeteria, stated his opinion.

Yes, you get deleted because you can't respond with reasoned discourse and are a hypocrite.

No, we are not cowards. We just don't like you and want you to go away.

Sorry, Dave, you are not welcome here and should leave.

David said...

One more thing, Mon, I have a life beyond this. You obviously don't.

prefeteria said...

Mon - the Stormfront people whom you idolize would forsake you as a person of color.

Your parents love for each other was risky and taboo for the time. You are more like Obama than like Trump.

The hatred you spew is not being true to yourself.

David said...

Prefeteria,

Better said than me.

I think we should all understand what is going on with Dave. He can't accept who he is and lashes out creating fictional racist towns that don't exist and launches about people he 'hates' because he is conflicted.

He could add to the blog when he leaves all that behind, but when he is challenged he resorts to Neo-Nazi comments (when he is not 'white' and would be a target of their hate) to defend himself. I hope he will post more of his intelligent posts and stop this. Or, I hope he will go away.

I'll stop now.

Sorry, Deb.

Peter said...

Ugh. I rather have the trolling than this political bullshit. Nobody cares about what anybody thinks except what they think about the topics of the posts here.

Peter said...

"You call us 'snowflakes' which is a reference to the ash that fell over the concentration camps." Wait, WHAT ?

Thats not what that means. It's a reference to Millenial children who are all taught that they are special unique individuals like a snowflake.

shoegazer said...

August 27, 2019 at 6:25 AM Peter said:

He didn't have to. That isn't how the law works. If you have a problem with that, you need to take it up with your legislators. Nobody here is arguing with you on whether Manson struck a killing blow to any of the victims. But that doesn't make him less culpable. In the grand scheme, that is a technicality. If you are arguing that Manson was not part of the conspiracy and never intended that anyone be murdered then make your case based on what's in the record. Otherwise it's just opinion. Which is fine, but don't get all twisted if nobody agrees with you.

You've really hit on an aspect of these recent flame wars that puzzles me: there is a subjective understanding of the binding legal code in force, and there's the objective description of the legal code--the words, themselves, and the case law that applies.

I would never have thought it possible, but there seem to be a fair number here who insist that subjective understanding of the law--in short: "the law is what I *think* it is", takes precedence over the objective (ideally) application of the law, thru valid adjudication.

I'll be really frank, here:

1) I don't care about subjective interpretations because no legal system ever worked that way. If one wants subjective law, they have to go to a locale where no legal code is in force, and you must STAY there. If you interact with the objective legal system, you are bound by it, like it or not.

At least that's what the IRS tells me...

2) Manson had a lot of accurate perceptions on human nature and how it works in the absence of law. People should not sell him short in terms of intelligence and social perception.

3) In essence, the Family was a pre-legal society, and where it interfaced with the conventional world, with its legal system, there were serious mismatches; where it remained isolated, it was functional, but under the informal system that Manson understood. When the Family interacted with the larger world, in the event of discrepancies between the two, the larger, stronger, more organized system asserted itself, and while it makes for a romantic, Guevara-like mystique to argue against it, the pre-legal system was brought to heel by use of legally sanctioned force.

It's as simple as that, really. To argue otherwise is to identify yourself as someone who has too much time on his/her hands.

shoegazer said...

August 27, 2019 at 4:54 PM DebS said:

Manson did not want to leave prison in March 1967. He consistently stated over the years that he did not want to leave prison after being incarcerated in 1969. He said that he could not live on the outside and that prison was his home, the only way of life that he knew and was comfortable with it. He never did one blessed thing to even attempt to be released on parole.

What follows is purely my own opinion, my own interpretation of Manson's personality...

I used to think hat what you're saying is true, but no longer think that's the case. I think what he *means* by that is that "try your best, but your punishment is to me no punishment at all".

I derive this from listening to his interviews.mI've heard him say, at least twice, that when he was out in 67-68 and in SF, he tried to stay away from troubles because he did not want to go back into jail--he was enjoying the 60s ethos.

In many ways, he was a tough little rooster. There was no doubt a limit to this--was most likely not like Archie Clement, at core--but for the period of time from his release from the penal system until he was arrested for TLB, we didn't see the clear limit. If he had actually gone the the gas chamber, or there was an imminent possibility of it, maybe we might have found out more.

To really understand what went on, we need to see, really *see*, the characters for what they were, as best we can determine it.

Again, my opinion, only...

shoegazer said...

One more comment this morning, off-topic, but maybe it'll have value. I'll feel better for having said it, that's for sure... :^)

If you post to a group for a while--and I've been doing this since usenet days--you can see certain near-predictable individual behaviors within the group emerge.

Too, you can notice evolving social norms and sensibilities as they are generally employed by the habitual posters, like me and others.

We've had a very nasty spate of exchanges over the last week or so--I'd come here to get away from that kind of stuff. Then I read more such exchanges this AM, under the current subject, and it dawned on me what may be happening.

Unless I miss my guess, for many posters there comes a certain time of day when we relax by indulging in a drink or two; I know *I* do, and it relaxes me, pains go away, and I become less inhibited. And a certain level of inhibition is good, socially, because it means that individual impulses are actively sublimated for the good of the larger group.

So it was when I allowed my impatience and frustration with Mon Durphy to motivate me to go over the edge of good taste. The responsibility for this is purely mine.

But I suspect that this same thing happens to other posters here, too, and that as they loosen up a bit, they also start poking back harder, and things escalate from there.

So that's the part about peculiarities about individuals in the group...

The part about "emerging social norms and sensibilities" is this: we are living in a time--God knows why--when there's a lot of social pressure, and/or reward, for publicly coming down for what's "right". And what's "right" is highly subjective and changeable, but currently "right" and "wrong", "good" and "bad" are increasingly seen as absolutes, and not relative positions. This makes social compromise near impossible.

At its worst, it comes under what has come to be called "virtue signaling"--letting all the other "right-thinking posters in the group know just how solidly one is committed to the "right" views."

So while I neither like, admire, nor respect Mon Durphy, I don't like seeing people piling on him, or other such abrasive personalities as post here from time to time. Nor do I like seeing people piling on Manson for every negative trait that comes to mind, like an avatar for everything that's bad. There are PLENTY of negative characteristics, for sure, but unless one limits one's observations to traits that can be objectively demonstrated, you do yourself a disservice by ascribing unsubstantiated negative behaviors to him.

Not all here may share these views, I'm well aware.

Panamint Patty said...

Priceless

Matt said...

Shoegazer, you use your tongue purdier than a twenty dollar whore.


shoegazer said...

Badly OT, but a good way to get to know folks here...

What is the source for your Manson Family Blog handles? I'll prime the pump...

"shoegazer" is the name of the Linux box that runs my home mail server. I gave the box that node name when I first heard about the sub-genre of grunge, called "shoegazer" because when the played long guitar riffs on stage, the stood relatively immobile, looking downward, apparently gazing at their shoes...

I kinda liked that...

Milly James said...

Very nice. Thank you.

prefeteria said...

I also apologize to the board for mixing it up with the person who shall not be named. In my/our defense, our comments may appear out of context due to the deleted offensive posts by said person.

Matthew Record said...

shoegazer said
shoegazer" is the name of the Linux box that runs my home mail server.

I just assumed that you had some sort of foot/shoe fetish.

DebS said...

I was the one who deleted the offensive comments last night, not David. prefeteria is right, there are comments which seem out of context. While I would normally delete comments that throw the whole discussion out of whack, I decided to leave the replies to the screeds because I wanted the screedee to read them.

Moving on.

AstroCreep said...

Back to the original thread-

One of the things that happens with a murder and/or tragic and sudden death, is that the person who dies isn’t able to cover their tracks on things they feel they still have time to fix. In the LaBianca’s case, it’s gambling debt and loans he took out against the business and kinda tarnished his reputation.

That was TAKEN from him. He didn’t choose to air his dirty laundry and for all we know, Rosemary might have even known about it.

All of the families had to deal with that stuff- Roman’s affairs, who was using what drugs, who owed what and to whom, etc.

It’s an angle that unless you’ve lived it, you don’t know the damage it can (and does) cause.

Mon Durphy said...

Not that the stealing from Gateway was justification for his murder but you think skimming 200k from the business (in 1960s dollars) is simply "dirty laundry"? He could have faced serious prison time if it wasn't his mother and brother in law in charge of doling out the punishment and setting up a plan to pay it all back, gambling arficts are even worse than drug addicts because they'll use their homes, cars, kids college tuition savings etc to pay of debtors

Mon Durphy said...

Don't you think it looks kind of funny or actually pathetic that there are a bunch of comments up with no context that look like random weird posts because you only deleted mine? I'm not angry about it I just think it looks funny and a newcomer to the blog seeing it mudt be like WTF is going on? Lol

Mon Durphy said...

When did I say I idolize Stormfront? The 2 or 3 times I just casually glanced at that board they struck me as people who hate simply based on race, ethnicity, nationality or religion, I judge people based on BEHAVOIR and LIFESTYLE, it just so happens that the brhavoir i can't stand in people are largely practiced to certain groups of people

Peter said...

WE


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CARE

ColScott said...

Mon

They delete your posts because they don't want you here. Special Agent Nathan Cheney of the FBI doesn't want you here. Because of you they have had to consider approving comments. You are the bad guy. Why must you post where you are not wanted?


Shoegazer- are you on the proper meds? This asshat has attacked me and my wife personally to the extent that we had to go to the FBI. He has an extensive criminal record. He is a danger to himself and others. You feel bad for him? Boo fucking hoo.

Mon Durphy said...

"Hi is this the FBI, I mean like J Edgar Hoover, G-men, Top 10 Most Wanted List? Yes it is sir, how can we help you? Ok, well I'm a world famous movie producer, you may know my work, The Transformers, ever heard of it? Uhhh suuuure you mean the kids toy movie? Yoooouuuu betcha!!! Ok sir what do you need? Ok well there's this internet blog I frequent that covers Charles Manson and the TLB murders and well there's this guy who's been calling me names, saying I eat too many donuts, making fun of the Oscar worthy pictures I produce and worst of all......that Quentin Tarantino beat me up for which I'm still having PTSD. You mean Tarantino of Pulp Fiction and Resevoir Dogs fame? Yes, one and the same. Ok sir were pretty busy here today, what can I do for you? Ok well I was wondering if you can get a SWAT team and scramble a few F-15s and go in and get him please? Uhhhhhh sir that's uhhhhhh not exactly how........BUT HES CALLING ME NAMES ON THE INTERNET DAMNIT!!!!! Click........hello...hello....HELLO!!! They hung up on me honey" lol

Zelda Formaldehyde said...

Why do I always show up after the fur has stopped flying? This thread reads like a book with every second page torn out.

Doug said...

Ultimate "shoegazer" track?!

https://youtu.be/YMCXLAQZ_tc

Mon Durphy said...

Lol or as Jim Croce would say, "like a jigsaw puzzle with a couple of pieces gone"

shoegazer said...

Doug,

Perfect shoegazer demo!!!!

Thanks!!! :^)

orwhut said...
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orwhut said...

Blogger shoegazer said...
SNIP/ What is the source for your Manson Family Blog handles?

Steve Landesberg, who played Dederich the Barney Miller sitcom, Jewish himself, did a bit on Jews with southern accents in his standup act. He had one yelling a question ending in "orwhat?" to a friend. I changed it to "orwhut" to match the way it's sometimes pronounced.

Ajerseydevil said...

Isn't there a moderator here anymore this is getting fkn ridiculous a free for all that has nothing to do with the topic we're supposed to be discussing

Panamint Patty said...

Word

Doug said...

SL was so good in that show

orwhut said...

Yes he was.

Mon Durphy said...
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Rock N. Roll said...
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Rock N. Roll said...

Asian should be capitalized.

beauders said...

David,black triangles were given to lesbians and other 'antisocial' women who did not want to make Aryan babies for the Reich.

David said...

Beauders,

Let's not go back there. Mon and I have reached an accord.