Wednesday, July 4, 2012

Q&A: Bill Vances' role in Shorty Shea's murder

 David Lee Hamic
aka Bill Vance

Hello Liz,

Longtime lurker here with a question.

Has anyone ever discussed Bill Vances' role in Shorty Shea's murder?

In this link Bruce Davis places a bloody knife in his hands:
http://www.cielodrive.com/bruce-davis-parole-hearing-2010.php

I don't think I've ever read anything about his role. I know in VB's Helter Skelter book he says Shorty's murder was a family affair with others cleaning up the scene, his burial and driving his car off but I don't remember Vance being accused of being an active participant in the murder. Am I wrong? The statement is about halfway through the proceedings when a Comminsoner calls BS on Bruce.

Lon





Tuesday, July 3, 2012

Follow-up to Handwriting Analysis: The Chandler Blvd. House


The Grump from Pahrump has graciously filled us in on what the Chandler Boulevard address on Charlie's application for a gasoline credit card was (see http://www.eviliz.com/2012/06/ready-manson-handwriting-analysis.html ). He writes:

"Here is some info on the Chandler Street House in Question.  It comes from Phil's book, Road Mangler Deluxe.  Good book, lots of info on Manson, A Joint Venture, and the Lie Album. It has a picture of Harold True in it, as well as info on the house next to the LaBiancas.
If you buy it from his website, he autographs the book to you, and you get the autographed card.

Phil was arrested twice for smuggling marijuana. He produced the Manson Family's album, "Lie" under the business name of "A Joint Venture." Notice in the top photo he was at Terminal Island, which is where Charlie also was before being released in 1967. Harold True is confirmed by Phil as having been a resident of the Chandler Blvd. house.  All of these people thought that they were starting a revolution. Does anyone else find this significant besides Patty?






Monday, July 2, 2012

Kristin Svege

1979 at California Men's Colony





Thank you, LW for the tip!






Neil Young on Charles Manson

Watch the video HERE

Neil wrote "Revolution Blues." The line, "10 million dune buggies" is a reference to Manson's plan to assemble ample forces in the Mojave desert to carry our his race war. Read about it HERE.






Sunday, July 1, 2012

"Life isn't weird: it's just the people in it."



http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/15/debra-tate-barbara-hoyt-manson-murders_n_1427036.html





Pic Dawson

Pic Dawson, Eric Clapton, Joni Mitchell, David Crosby, Gary Burden, Annette Burden and Mama Cass with Amy Burden at Mama Cass’ house in 1968.

Here's a link to the one at Whiskey A GoGo





Saturday, June 30, 2012

Manson Handwriting Analysis

Eviliz loaned Patty a bunch of her interesting and rare items while we were all on tour together. Recently Patty started going through them and is finding all kinds of cool stuff to post including this image from a British publication called "Murder Casebook" published in 1990:

It is supposedly a "handwriting analysis" meant to enlighten we the readers to Charlie's true character. Graphology, as this kind of analysis is called, is basically bullcrap. From Wikipedia:

"Graphology is the pseudoscientific study and analysis of handwriting, especially in relation to human psychology. In the medical field, it can be used to refer to the study of handwriting as an aid in diagnosis and tracking of diseases of the brain and nervous system. The term is sometimes incorrectly used to refer to forensic document examination. Graphology has been controversial for more than a century. Although supporters point to the anecdotal evidence of thousands of positive testimonials as a reason to use it for personality evaluation, most empirical studies fail to show the validity claimed by its supporters."

What remains interesting to Patty however, are the following tidbits revealed in Charlie's application for credit:

1. He lists his number of dependents as "16."

2. He lists his occupation as "Evangelist," and claims that he's been at it for 20 years.

3. He lists his current address as 441 N. Bouchet in LA, and claims that he has been there for 10 months. There is no such address any more when you search for it on Google Earth.

4. He lists his former address as Spahn's Movie Ranch, and states he lived there for a year.

5. He claims to have a checking account at The Republic National Bank in North Hollywood.

6. George Spahn and someone on Chandler in Van Nuys are listed as his credit references.

Was he being serious, or was this just Charlie amusing Charlie with his own ironic sense of humor? Patty found it interesting.





Friday, June 29, 2012

Judge blocks release of Charles Manson follower’s tapes to LAPD while case under appeal









Crow Bar Saloon

One of our members "Ole J.C." sent me some pics to share.
I am assuming he may be on a Manson voyage.  Thanks for the pics Ole J.C.





Tecopa Hot Springs Road sign. Ole J.C. was nice enough to add the insert of Little Paul with his daughters under the same sign many years ago.

Also from Ole J.C-
Chapter 4 in Desert Shadows:
Later some of the group from Goler Wash were back in town to entertain local youth.
Ward was upset because they had previously dispensed marijuana to some of the town's young people and had been warned about panhandling at the Crow Bar Saloon and shop lifting in the General Store.
3 Pics of the Crow Bar Saloon
1 Pic of the General Store












Q&A


Candy and Nuts asked- In this article Clem calls himself  "Clemsonmoonstar."
Has anyone else ever heard him called by that name?