The Netflix Companion: Six Degrees of Helter Skelter

Your host for this edition of the Netflix companion is Mr. Scott Michaels. He is the fascinating founder of FindADeath.com and DearlyDepartedTours.com and has been a serious Mansonologist since 1994. Some of  the places Scott will show you along the way (in addition to the crime scenes at Cielo, Waverly and Old Topanga Canyon Road) include:

Jay Sebring's home which was built by Jean Harlow's husband Paul Bern in 1930. It is also where Mr. Bern died under "mysterious circumstances" in 1932. The current owners, Dr. Ron Hall and his wife Maggie, bought the home in 1970 and have been there, ever since. They do not report any paranormal oo-EE-oo, despite Sharon's supposed "premonition" there in 1967.

Dennis Wilson's home which is also where Will Rodgers once lived. It is still standing, though it was being renovated at the time of filming. Michaels mentions that Clem wrecked Dennis' uninsured Mercedes, but Patty remembers it being a red sportscar, no?

Voytek and Gibby's home which is not directly across the street from Mama Cass', as is stated in Helter Skelter. Rather, the properties back up to one another. The Falcon's Lair, where Rudolph Valentino lived, and which has a birdseye view of Cielo Drive from across the canyon. Michaels explains which houses were there in 1969, including the one Winnie Chapman ran to for help. Places where Lotsapoppa, Saladin Nader, Rudy Weber, Steven Weiss, and Susan LaBerge lived.

Jack Jones' home which was creepy crawled. Jack was a singer most widely known for the theme from "The Love Boat." Things were moved around in the house, and Jack's cowboy hat went missing. Michael asserts that Jack later found out that the crawlers stuck around in the bushes to watch him come home and only left after police arrived to take a report.

The LA County Coroner where Chief Craig Harvey deciphers publicly available coroner's reports on all the known victims, and finally, Barker Ranch before and after the fire. Patty really enjoyed Michaels' take on everything and thanks to Ken, she recognized a lot of the places she's never been.

Q&A: Bill Vances' role in Shorty Shea's murder

 David Lee Hamic
aka Bill Vance

Hello Liz,

Longtime lurker here with a question.

Has anyone ever discussed Bill Vances' role in Shorty Shea's murder?

In this link Bruce Davis places a bloody knife in his hands:
http://www.cielodrive.com/bruce-davis-parole-hearing-2010.php

I don't think I've ever read anything about his role. I know in VB's Helter Skelter book he says Shorty's murder was a family affair with others cleaning up the scene, his burial and driving his car off but I don't remember Vance being accused of being an active participant in the murder. Am I wrong? The statement is about halfway through the proceedings when a Comminsoner calls BS on Bruce.

Lon

Follow-up to Handwriting Analysis: The Chandler Blvd. House

The Grump from Pahrump has graciously filled us in on what the Chandler Boulevard address on Charlie's application for a gasoline credit card was (see http://www.eviliz.com/2012/06/ready-manson-handwriting-analysis.html ). He writes:

"Here is some info on the Chandler Street House in Question.  It comes from Phil's book, Road Mangler Deluxe.  Good book, lots of info on Manson, A Joint Venture, and the Lie Album. It has a picture of Harold True in it, as well as info on the house next to the LaBiancas.

If you buy it from his website, he autographs the book to you, and you get the autographed card.

http://phkauf.com/"

Phil was arrested twice for smuggling marijuana. He produced the Manson Family's album, "Lie" under the business name of "A Joint Venture." Notice in the top photo he was at Terminal Island, which is where Charlie also was before being released in 1967. Harold True is confirmed by Phil as having been a resident of the Chandler Blvd. house.  All of these people thought that they were starting a revolution. Does anyone else find this significant besides Patty?

Kristin Svege

 

1979 at California Men's Colony

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Thank you, LW for the tip!

Neil Young on Charles Manson

Watch the video HERE

Neil wrote "Revolution Blues." The line, "10 million dune buggies" is a reference to Manson's plan to assemble ample forces in the Mojave desert to carry our his race war. Read about it HERE.

"Life isn't weird: it's just the people in it."

 

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/15/debra-tate-barbara-hoyt-manson-murders_n_1427036.html

Pic Dawson

Pic Dawson, Eric Clapton, Joni Mitchell, David Crosby, Gary Burden, Annette Burden and Mama Cass with Amy Burden at Mama Cass’ house in 1968.

Here's a link to the one at Whiskey A GoGo

Manson Handwriting Analysis

Eviliz loaned Patty a bunch of her interesting and rare items while we were all on tour together. Recently Patty started going through them and is finding all kinds of cool stuff to post including this image from a British publication called "Murder Casebook" published in 1990:

It is supposedly a "handwriting analysis" meant to enlighten we the readers to Charlie's true character. Graphology, as this kind of analysis is called, is basically bullcrap. From Wikipedia:

"Graphology is the pseudoscientific study and analysis of handwriting, especially in relation to human psychology. In the medical field, it can be used to refer to the study of handwriting as an aid in diagnosis and tracking of diseases of the brain and nervous system. The term is sometimes incorrectly used to refer to forensic document examination. Graphology has been controversial for more than a century. Although supporters point to the anecdotal evidence of thousands of positive testimonials as a reason to use it for personality evaluation, most empirical studies fail to show the validity claimed by its supporters."

What remains interesting to Patty however, are the following tidbits revealed in Charlie's application for credit:

1. He lists his number of dependents as "16."

2. He lists his occupation as "Evangelist," and claims that he's been at it for 20 years.

3. He lists his current address as 441 N. Bouchet in LA, and claims that he has been there for 10 months. There is no such address any more when you search for it on Google Earth.

4. He lists his former address as Spahn's Movie Ranch, and states he lived there for a year.

5. He claims to have a checking account at The Republic National Bank in North Hollywood.

6. George Spahn and someone on Chandler in Van Nuys are listed as his credit references.

Was he being serious, or was this just Charlie amusing Charlie with his own ironic sense of humor? Patty found it interesting.

Judge blocks release of Charles Manson follower’s tapes to LAPD while case under appeal

READ HERE

READ HERE

Crow Bar Saloon

One of our members "Ole J.C." sent me some pics to share.
I am assuming he may be on a Manson voyage.  Thanks for the pics Ole J.C.

Tecopa Hot Springs Road sign. Ole J.C. was nice enough to add the insert of Little Paul with his daughters under the same sign many years ago.

Also from Ole J.C-
Chapter 4 in Desert Shadows:
Later some of the group from Goler Wash were back in town to entertain local youth.
Ward was upset because they had previously dispensed marijuana to some of the town's young people and had been warned about panhandling at the Crow Bar Saloon and shop lifting in the General Store.
3 Pics of the Crow Bar Saloon
1 Pic of the General Store