Bruce Davis 2015 Parole Hearing Thoughts!

Just read the transcript (thanks to Cielodrive.com) from Bruce Davis's 2015 parole hearing that happened not even a month ago on August 27th. Wow, what a read it was! It's funny how Bruce Davis reiterated a few things such as:

• Gary Hinman was, in fact, killed over a ROBBERY (no drug deal or burn mentioned)
• Danny DeCarlo was not mentioned as riding in the car to take the bums over to Gary's
• When he came back from Europe, Helter Skelter planning was on everyone's mind, hence the idea not having been pulled out of Vincent Bugliosi's rectum.
• According to Bruce Davis (again), Shorty Shea was killed in the morning, not evening as Barbara Hoyt keeps insisting. Why did Steven Grogan describe the crime as having happened the exact, same way as Bruce when he went before the parole board too? Why would they lie about the time of day he was killed? Could Barbara have heard someone else screaming? How does she know 100% it was Shorty? There is something else I have never been able to figured out about this screaming thing either. Okay, Ruby Pearl testified that the last time she saw Shorty was at night, when she was leaving Spahn ranch to go home. She also testified that Shorty was very scared and wanted to stay at her house, even though she told him she didn't have enough room. When she was driving off the property, she saw a group of guys surrounding Shorty. My question is this: If Shorty was so scared and didn't even want to stay there that night, why would he have taken them for a ride to the auto parts store in the morning? Would he have gotten in the car with Tex, Bruce & Clem if he was frightened enough to want to stay somewhere else the night before? That makes no sense. That is the ONLY reason I thought Barbara was telling the truth when I first read about what she testified to. Now, I just don't know. 

Brucie also mentioned a few things I had never heard before either, such as:

• He actually witnessed Manson stabbing Shorty Shea (ah ha! So he did spill blood after all!)
• He saw Bill Vance standing at the Shea crime scene, along with Tex & Grogan, all three holding BLOODY knives (I thought Bill Vance left with Goldilocks the day after Gary Hinman was killed?)
• Watson stabbed him the first time, yet Grogan is labeled the actual "killer" of Shea (no sense makes sense)
• Shorty was sitting up after he had been stabbed and had the strength to ask Manson why he was stabbing him (awful, just awful)
• Bobby Beausoleil requested the gun from Bruce to use in the robbery of Gary Hinman. Bruce and/or Danny DeCarlo didn't lay it in his hands and instruct him how to use it, like Bobby loves to claim
• Bruce has been diagnosed with emphysema, yet the parole board commissioner kept insisting he was healthy (the parole board commissioner was being a total smart-ass, btw)
• Bruce claims that he keeps his chin up, even though he's had his hopes shot down by the governor three damn times (he probably returns to his cell and screams "mutherfuckinshitfuckasscuntdicksonofabitch" into a pillow
• If released, Bruce will be able to collect social security checks from his ex-wife, much to the annoyance of the Los Angeles ADA that was there to oppose parole
• Manson, most definitely blabbed constantly about Helter Skelter, but Bruce doesn't really know if Manson believed in it himself. He talked about it as if he had a God complex. (Note: Helter Skelter did NOT come out of Vincent Bugliosi's rectum)
• Bruce thinks that Manson's motivation was total power & control. (I think it was total power & control AND an endless supply of uh... hair pie)

Might I add, the extremely odd "victim's impact statement" given by Debra Tate. Please note, a victim's impact statement, according to California parole hearing rules is supposed to only focus on how the crime (s) impacted the family members of the victims (not her). Her statement had a few "I's in it and I think one "Me." Note: Before a certain "merkin-breath" starts in on the personal attacks, please note that I very much would like to kick this person in the ovaries.... Continuing.... I am not trying to dis Debra Tate, ladies & gentlemen. This woman, I know has had her share of grief and I know she has been greatly impacted in a cruel, hard way from a terrible crime in which Manson, Watson, Atkins & Krenwinkel were all involved! Not so much Bruce Davis, though. Yes, he was part of "The Family" I know, but so was Barbara Hoyt and you see them sitting together during parole hearings. Crazy, huh? I know Debra was there as a victim's representative & all, but I still think it was weird. I am not sure if she wrote this statement or if she just said it in a spur of the moment situation. If it was spur of the moment, maybe she was nervous. One time I had to say a spur of the moment speech in front of a whole auditorium of people back where I used to work and I was so nervous, I accidentally said the word FART instead of START in my sentence. Maybe this was the same kinda situation. I still think her statement was weird, though. See what I mean:

Coming, sir. Hello. I feel very privileged to be here and be able to talk on behalf of the remaining family members involved in Mr. Davis' heinous crime. I know firsthand how devastating these acts of extreme ugliness in the fashion that our loved ones were taken from us has. It is a fashion which never goes away from your memory and all of this has been concurred by the Hinman family as well as Shorty Shea's divorced wife and child. It causes great pain, strife, fear that has caused me also to lose family members. It is an extreme stress. I personally don't see enough remorse in any of these people and I do look for it. I represent other families and when I see it, I give it. I just don't see it here, the fact that the family members feel that seven years to life but somehow these good Christian people feel entitled to take it to the minimum sentence, which is seven years, is quite offensive, to tell you the truth. It has a low end and a high end and the high end being life. We believe that these people need to pay with life. The American public believes that these people need to pay with their life. The American people believe that these folks need to stay in jail for the rest of their life and they are trusting that that is exactly what is going to happen. It's actually quite a chore to prove that any one or all of these people are not going to receive just that. So it is the collective of the remaining victims' families as well as the rest of the United States and many other countries in the world. And based on that fact, Commissioners, I would implore you to give Mr. Davis an appropriate amount of time equal to his heinous, ugly taking of two viable, useful members of society's life and did nothing and in that way planned and ultimately was a part of, although not in person but in spirit, of the loss of my sister. Thank you very much. 

Tex's Attic

 "All the next day, from our lookout posts in the hills, we watched the National Park rangers driving back and forth like ants over the desert roads, looking for us. After it got dark, Charlie and I drove all night by the light of the moon, surveying his desert kingdom. He was very quiet, wound up like a spring. When we got back to Myers Ranch early the next morning, he handed me a double-barreled shotgun that had been stolen from one of the girl's parents before we left Los Angeles.

"'Go up into the attic there,' he said to me, pointing to a place where the attic extended out over the porch of the ranch house with gaping holes between the boards. 'Go up there with this and wait. When those two rangers come -- kill them.' He drove off and I climbed into the hot, dusty attic to wait." *

-- Charles "Tex" Watson, Will You Die For Me?

"You know that little hideaway in Barker's place? Well, I used to sleep up in there, and all the mice used to have to crawl over me to get out to go to the water, right? And I'd have these buckskin pants on, and they would start chewing on my pants.

"So, one night, when it was Tex's turn -- because what we'd do is like keep a point up there, and anybody would come, we'd listen to what they was saying. So, it was Tex's turn to see if the cops was gonna come up, you dig, so he was gonna be stashed there, you know, to see what the cops was gonna say. And we'd always leave a coffee pot there, and we'd leave a couple pounds of coffee and all that kind of stuff....

"So [Tex] was over that night, and them rats came out and started chewing on them pants. He freaked out and he couldn't deal with it. He run home to his mother, man. He left the pants there, man, and the rats ate a fucking hole in the pants and shit. Fucking rats ate my pants up. That's cold, huh?"

-- Charles Manson, from a tape-recorded telephone conversation

* This is one of the instances in his book where Watson confuses the Barker and Myers Ranchs. The old Myers ranch house, which burned down in June of 1999, never had an attic space such as he describes. The photo is of the attic space at Barker Ranch (also since burned down). -- GS

Not In My Back Yard!

It is with great sadness that we are reporting our newest blogger and good friend George Stimson and his partner Sandy Good have lost their home to California's latest wildfire.  The Valley Fire in Lake County has been fast moving and ferocious, they are by no means alone in their loss but when it's someone you know it somehow makes it more personal.

The Valley Fire started early Saturday afternoon while George and Sandy were out of town.  It began about two miles from their home, as the crow flies.  In less than 24 hours the fire grew to 40,000 acres.  It is now at 61,000 acres and counting.  California's drought conditions coupled with last week's 100+ degree temperatures in the area no doubt contributed to the aggressiveness of the fire. Over 10,000 people have been displaced and more than 400 homes lost.  Entire small communities were wiped out. 

George and Sandy do have some place to stay.  They are not in a shelter or living in their car and for that they are grateful.  They may be in a state of shock now but they will bounce back.  We wish them good things for the future.

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George,

We've been emailing back and forth for the last few days trying to keep each other informed and follow what's going on. You're safe and in the end that's what matters. Glad you were able to save the rabbits. Take care friend, and let us know if you need anything.

Matt & Julie

If Marcia Clark had been the Manson prosecutor, they'd all be free...

I came across these videos in researching something and it reminded me that, no matter what people want to think, Bugliosi was in fact a truly brilliant prosecutor.  You look at the OJ Simpson trial, and as Bugliosi comments, those prosecutors did an F- job, and they did. Everyone likes to blame the jury for the verdict, but it really was the prosecution.

Bugliosi didn't make up the HS motive, it was handed to him by a variety of police witnesses prior to Bugliosi being assigned the case. He took it and ran. Watch the first few minutes and you immediately see that while he may be talking about the Simpson case, he could just as easily be talking about Manson et al.

People may hate him for hiding the "truth", but did he willfully mislead people? Think about what he had as a prosecutor: Three young women - only one with physical evidence, Krenwinkel's fingerprint, one fingerprint on Watson, who will not even be at trial because he's fighting extradition, and a gun found on the hillside, a witness for the grand jury who later recants, and Linda Kasabian. That's it. If Marcia Clark was the prosecutor of Manson, they'd all gone on to live in free society without serving a day in prison. Bugliosi got convictions on the actual killers and Manson. Without Watson in the game, he needed Manson as the fall guy to these women. Pretty amazing when you think about it. Did he hide facts? Probably. But I'm guessing he weighed his options and as so much was falling through the cracks, he grabbed what he could in the name of justice.

One hour and ten minutes in kinda says it all when he says, something like, "That's what a prosecutor does in a criminal trial, present incriminating evidence." And, no matter what conspiracy theory you wanna present, Helter Skelter was undoubtedly incriminating evidence. Whether it was actually a motive for these crimes or not, it was incriminating evidence from multiple sources interviewed before Bugliosi was given the case. We can't even say those witness were coached by Bugliosi because so many made their statements before even meeting Bugliosi.

Would we all have been happier if he'd ignored this evidence and no one was brought to justice for these murders? Absolutely not. This leaves you with one thing and one thing only, Bugliosi did his job. End of story. Did someone get away with murder? Maybe so. Did he successfully prosecute those that he did have evidence on? Yes.

We all play Monday morning quarterback with things that we think are evidence, things that we think were discovered years and years later that may or may not have had anything to do with this case. But all this "thinking" isn't prosecutable because it's all speculation and our criminal system (thank God) doesn't run on speculation. It runs on "Beyond a reasonable doubt". There has yet to be an ounce of viable proof that could properly be presented in a court of law. Yet we expect Bugliosi to have presented evidence of another motive.

In the history of the criminal justice system, I'll bet there are thousands upon thousands of criminals that got away with murder because the evidence just wasn't there. Look at Robert Durst. There's probably 90% consensus vote in the public that he's guilty of murdering not only the old man who he was found not guilty of killing for reason of self-defense, but of his wife, and Susan Berman yet he's (to date) never been brought to justice for those murder cases. Is there a conspiracy to keep some truth from the public on Durst? No. The evidence just hasn't been there to get a successful prosecution. And, due to double jeopardy, once we blow a case, we blow it. So, the DA's office waits and they wait until they do have a case guilt beyond a reasonable doubt

When there's no evidence, the justice system and the prosecutors, including Bugliosi are blameless. Was or has there ever been evidence, beyond hearsay that Joel Rostau was involved? The Mafia? Drug overlords? Anything? Anything at all that could legally be presented in a court of law? No. So why does anyone blame Bugliosi or anyone else of "hiding" information?

Jay Sebring, Hair Stylist to the Stars

Jay Sebring made a pretty good reputation for himself in the arena of men's hair styling.  He really did have hair cutting down to a science and was quite emphatic about how hair should be treated.

Some of the stars that Jay was credited with cutting and styling hair for were Steve McQueen, Paul Newman, George Peppard, Robert Vaughn, James Garner , Cliff Robertson, Frank Sinatra, Marlon Brando, Henry Fonda and Kirk Douglas.  Jay was credited as the hair stylist for Chuck Connors in 48 episodes of The Rifleman from 1958 to 1963.

Jay himself was also in a handful of movies and television shows usually playing a barber.  Here is one episode with Jay in the opening scene of the western TV series The Virginian.  This TV series,  in part, was filmed at the Iverson Ranch in Chatsworth, very near Spahn Ranch.

Charles Manson Postcards To His Three Codefendants

Circa 1992:

Susan Atkins -- 

"The people you helped and gave to will keep you to use you. The people you let help you you keep and used them and it's all a circle. There is no one. There never was. I knew that when I let you walk behind me. My me was gone before you were born. I did 22 years before you were reborn. Off the ranch they are not for you and never will be."

Patricia Krenwinkel -- 

"My mom ran from home at 14, had me at 15, went to the prison at 17 and I visited her in 1937. Divorce court in 1938. Spent a lot of time inside, got out in 1967, started a rebirth movement and I knew there was no one. Yous will wake up. The people who use you will keep you to use you up."

Leslie Van Houten -- 

"You reached to change the world and let it change you. You let them use you. You went for they wanted to help you count some money. Apart [crossed-out "we"] you all die in prison. Together we make change."

Munchbox in the 50's

The Munchbox was built in 1956 and stands at 21532 Devonshire in Chatsworth. It looked very much back then as it does today judging from these fun now and then photos.

Back in 1969 it is said that Charlie could get a root beer float or a hot dog while waiting for Sadie to finish her shift as a topless dancer across the street at the Candy Cat. The Candy Cat by the way is still in operation today because, as its yelp reviewers reveal, everybody likes boobs and beer.

Also just across the street is a supermarket (formerly Gateway Market) where the girls would dumpster dive.


Thanks to Stoner Van Houten and Valley Relics Museum for the pic.  Mansonblog visited the Munchbox back in 2013, you can see that post here.

Susan Atkins High School Photos

We here at mansonblog have a pretty good collection of Family high school yearbook photos (see here). We had even more, but then came the great crash of 2012.  Kudos to you, dear reader, if you have been with us that long.  Oh, the stories we could tell!

Anywhoo, you have probably already seen these but come on, won't you take one for the team, help us to rebuild our once more extensive collection? Patty's good friend Thomas G., who suggested this post, would appreciate it, and so would Patty.

And as a bonus, here is a baby pic.

Conjugal snuggling.....

Inmate Conjugal visitations or family visitation.... What do y'all think?

Do the majority of our readers side with the inmates on this issue, meaning, is it acceptable for killers, rapists, child molesters, etc. to have overnight visits, including "snuggle time" to their spouses/families while incarcerated?

What about Susan Atkins? Was it okay for her to be able to provocatively pose in the "family units" trailer before being pounded by her mulleted husband?

What about Leslie Van Houten? She seems to be everyone's darling. When she briefly married (and got access to a penis sandwich) was it okay? What about her family outing, so to speak with her parents?

What about mustachioed Tex? He fathered four unfortunate children in the last 35 years. He also got to have camp outs with his parents & siblings. They all did.

Manson, of course, is a different story. They basically locked him up & threw away the key. All & all, I find it deeply disturbing and you can probably guess that I respectfully disagree that they should ever bring it back.

I can completely understand why Mrs. Doris Tate had such a problem with it. Her daughter's killers were able to enjoy small moments of normalcy, and experience earthly pleasures while Sharon and the other victims' lives were over long ago. I couldn't imagine how painful it was to know that. So, should these kinds of inmates have this privilege given back to them, or should they leave it alone? Do you think it was okay for these visits to take place at all?

For this discussion, I am particularly interested in what our readers think about Tex, Leslie, Pat, Bobby and Bruce to have conjugal visits again, if, of course, they married? I know Pat has never had a so-called "conjugal" visit, but she did have access to the family living units with her own family.

By the way, I respect most everyone's opinion on these matters, so I hope you respect mine. I know I annoy a hell of a lot of people on the blog, because I sound like such a hard-ass when it comes to the Manson Family, but that's just how I am. That's how I was raised. I'm Austin Ann, the blogger everyone loves to hate!

BOBBY BEAUSOLEIL WHISKED BACK TO CA IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT

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