Catherine Gillies

Q&A Tuesday #1

We have discussed Stephanie Rowe once before. This is one of the more puzzling Family questions we have discussed before. Does anyone have anything new to offer?

Stephanie's mugshot is to the left. Does anyone know the date of the mugshot?

The Grump from Pahrump asks-
Stephenie Rowe/AKA Suzanne Scott

What The Grump knows about her - she was one of the "Witches of Mendocino" arrested with Sadie.

She was mentioned a few times in Little Paul's book, once about driving with her to the desert.

In an interview with Paul in "Death to Pigs", he said she was (is) Jewish.

In the books "The Family", and Adam G.s "Shadows over Santa Susana", she (Stephanie) is identified as the Jane Doe initially identified by Ruby Pearl as "Sherry".

It seems she was with The Family for quite a while. Just wondering if anyone has any more info on her, and what do you think about her being one of the Jane Doe's?

Eviliz surfed the web looking for anything on Stephanie Rowe/Suzanne Scott.

From Mark Turner's site:
http://www.charliemanson.com/index.htm

Suzanne Scott a.k.a Stephanie Row, a.k.a. Barbara Junior. DOB 3-23-50

From~The X Spot:
http://xdell.blogspot.com/2008/09/devils-in-slide-playbill-dead.html

Jane Doe #44-Police believed the body of Jane Doe #44 belonged to former "Manson Family" member Susan Scott a.k.a. Stephanie Rowe. Because they lacked identification and other evidence, no charges were ever filed, even though authorities suspected Charlie and his gang of her murder.

Below from a previous Rowe post/ discussion here. Click on the link to read the full story.
http://www.eviliz.com/2011/08/jane-doe-59-case-file-358ufca.html

Police sketch of victim

Mulholland Drive and Skyline Drive where the body was found.

Another story another theory

California Dreamin': World premier play about Charles Manson at The Met Theatre in L.A.

Jill Charlotte Thomas' new play explores the events leading up to the Manson Family murders of 1969 and suggests a friendship between Charles Manson and coffee heiress and murder victim Abigail Folger. This alternative theory of what lead up to the brutal attacks on 1005o Cielo Drive suggests that the killing may not have been entirely random, that the attackers may have known their victims and that there was a cover up to protect Folgers reputation.

Check out the link for time and dates.

http://www.goldstar.com/events/los-angeles-ca/california-dreamin#show_date_selector

Go see it, bring back a play bill and write us a review.

Thanks to a friend for the tip.

That came back to bite him in his ass

A different take on Tex's last parole hearing.

Summoning Shea's memory during the parole hearing, Sequeira acknowledged that in 1970 there was only enough evidence to charge Manson and cult members Steve Grogan and Bruce Davis with Shea's killing and decapitation ; but the prosecutor added the subsequent investigations suggest that Watson was part of the four man hit team that carried out the execution telling the Commissioners "Inmate Watson certainly had knowledge of this crime and the whereabouts of Mr. Shea's body for years." Once he was convicted of the other murders, he was certainly in a position to help, and yet he did nothing to assist law enforcement in finding Mr. Shea's body."

Shorty Shea's skeletal remains were located in 1977 on a steep grassy gully off the Santa Susana Pass. It was Clem Grogan who finally leadauthorities to the murder site. The discovery was made without the help of Charles Watson-and it was made some three years after Watson claimed to devoted his life to Christianity.

"If he truly had remorse," Sequeira observed "why has he never come forward to tell law enforcement about this and other crimes, committed by the Manson Family? That doesn't strike me as remorseful."

From- http://www.scottthomasanderson.com/twomeninaroom.html

Thanks to a friend for the article.

Updated and transcribed for Hippiechick40 by A.C.

A recent card to one of our members from Charlie.

Special thanks to A.C. for the accurate transcription.

Left side.) What you can do now is have a good day, every day. Have no regrets or sadness. Just realize, you are where it’s at, because it’s all alone.

(Right Side.) Traveled the world looking for what I needed to find, and found that when I was in the hills, or on the back porch, it was right there, in my own mind. I shook my head in disbelief, I asked holy men, and the highest of priests; They all said, when you can clear your mind of doubts, fears and questions; Rest your mind in peace and love, your mother Earth, you will be in Heaven. (That’s a poem, or perhaps a song he’s working on). I did (it) fast, because back home on the back porch, they called that lazy and stupid. When the TVA (Tennessee Valley Authority) came to Kentucky, building dams, it destroyed the way of life along the rivers, and the fishing and stills* faded, and the big drain pit in the yard, and how they made apple sauce, and berries in mason jars* and oil lamps went out. And cars and trucks took the wagons away. In just one lifetime, I’ve seen a lot to know, and knew. And so did my uncles and grandmom. But no one could hear them. TV came, and took it all away for the price of money. *refers to distilleries and making homemade wine (That is complaining about the old ways being displaced.) (Right Side, Upside Down) P.S., no need to write back. I’m inside of you forever anyway, forever and always. And now, loving you is all I do. (Aw!)

Sensory Deprivation

http://law.wustl.edu/journal/22/p325grassian.pdf

The Specific Psychiatric Syndrome Associated with Solitary Confinement.

a. Hyperresponsivity to External Stimuli: More than half the prisoners reported a progressive inability to tolerate ordinary stimuli.

b. Perceptual Distortions, Illusions, and Hallucinations: Almost a third of the prisoners described hearing voices, often in whispers and often saying frightening things to them.

c. Panic Attacks: Well over half the inmates interviewed described severe panic attacks while in SHU.

d. Difficulties with Thinking, Concentration, and Memory.

e. Intrusive Obsessional Thoughts.

f. Overt Paranoia: Almost half the prisoners interviewed reported paranoid and persecutory fears. Some of these persecutory fears were short of overt psychotic disorganization.

g. Problems with Impulse Control: Slightly less than half of the prisoners reported episodes of loss of impulse control with random violence:

I snap off the handle over absolutely nothing. Have torn up mail and pictures, throw things around. Try to control it. Know it only hurts myself." Several of these prisoners reported impulsive self-mutilation; "I cut my wrists many times in isolation. Now it seems crazy. But every time I did it, I wasn't thinking—lost control—cut myself without knowing what I was doing."

A little more than 30 days in the hole

Thanks to A.C and Grump for the info

from- http://www.mansondirect.com

Charles Manson Placed in Solitary Confinement at Age 77
CORCORAN, Feb. 10, 2012 – On October 4, 2011, officials at the California State Prison in Corcoran moved Charles Manson to the Security Housing Unit (SHU), also known as “the hole”.

Manson has been sentenced to more than a year in solitary confinement, based on the allegation that he was in possession of a “deadly weapon”.

The alleged weapon was a wire from a pair of eye-glasses. Friends of Manson claim this recent decision by prison officials is yet another act of discrimination, since the item in question, although technically a rule violation, is commonly modified and used as a craft tool by inmates throughout the prison.

In solitary confinement (SHU), Manson is held in a cell for 23 hours a day and denied basic privileges such as packages, phone access, contact visits, and normal human interaction. Considering his advanced age, friends are expressing great concern for Manson’s health and well-being.

If you would like to protest Charles Manson’s 15 month sentence to solitary confinement, and express your concern about the conditions under which he is being held, you can write a letter to the state employees listed below. Posting by certified mail will help to hold these bureaucrats to account.

Warden Connie Gipson, Counselor T. Wyman- CCI and Counselor Supervisor R. Broomfield- CCII can be addressed to the same P.O. Box:

CSP-Corcoran
P.O. Box 8800
Corcoran, CA
93212

Office of the Ombudsman
Jean Weiss, Ombudsperson for CSP-Corcoran
1515 S Street, Room 124 South
Sacramento, CA
95811


A.C 's comments

Well, some news... Charles is sentenced to a year in Security Housing Unit (solitary confinement) for having a scary, dangerous, life-threatening weapon... a piece of wire from inside a pair of eyeglasses. Yes, really.

A 77 year old guy with emphasema might be able to pin-poke another inmate while standing in the chow line. Frightening yeah?

So same 77 year old is thrown into solitary, no contact visits, no phone, no guitar, only outside for one hour per day. For a year. BTW Amnesty International has declared SHU to be cruel and unusual punishment.

Eviliz.com Salutes the "Manson Era" Presidents

Nixon: 1969-1974.

From a The New York Times article available here:

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/07/24/other-presidents-who-weighed-in-on-big-cases/

While Manson was on trial in August of 1970, Nixon was talking to reporters in Denver, and complained of a media tendency to “glorify and to make heroes” out of people like Manson. He noted that the trial was getting daily coverage, then added “Here was a man who was guilty, directly or indirectly, of eight murders without reason.” Within half an hour, Nixon’s press secretary issued a correction, saying that the president had simply failed to use the word “allege” and had not intended to prejudge the case. In court the next day, Manson was able to grab a copy of The Los Angeles Times and flash its front page (“Manson Guilty, Nixon Declares”) to the jury.
Robert Dallek, a presidential historian, said “He (Nixon) was playing to the whole idea that conservatives stand for law and order and Democrats were permissive and indulgent toward criminals.”



Ford: 1974-1977.

Squeaky “attempts to assassinate” President Ford on Sept 5, 1975 in Sacramento’s Capitol Park. Panamint Patty’s favorite account is Jess Bravin’s:
“As Ford flashed on fear, the sensation passed to Irene Morrison, on Lyn’s right; it was Morrison’s hand Ford had been shaking, and she had hoped the president was about to say something to her. Instead, as his color drained and his features contorted, Ford sucked up air and reflexively jerked back, yanking the twenty-eight-year-old secretary along with him. His right hand flew up to cover his face, his left hand down over his groin, toward which a red sleeved arm was angling.”



Carter: 1977-1981.

President Carter’s younger sister Gloria Carter Spann’s son William Carter Spann was imprisoned with Charlie for a time at Vacaville. You can read Willie’s story, “The Sad Tale of the Bad Peanut,” here in the LA Times:
http://articles.latimes.com/1997-03-16/news/mn-38842_1_jimmy-carter. "Charlie's crazy," he said of Manson, "but he's got a sense of humor that can't be beat." Willie Spann died of AIDS in Oakland, CA in 1997.


Reagan: 1981-1989.

President Reagan’s son Ron Jr. famously interviewed Charlie in 1991. You can see part one of the full interview here on youtube: CLICK HERE. When Manson explained his “message” and asked the President’s son if he believed in God, Reagan responded, “No, I do not.” This was, apparently, a BIG F***ING DEAL. In 2009, Ron Jr. accepted the Freedom From Religion Foundation’s "Emperor Has No Clothes Award." He described as a youth reading the Bible and finding God "positively psychotic." People despise atheists, he declared, "because they're terrified about the weakness of their own faith."


Bush Part I: 1989-1993.

In 1992, President George H. W. Bush recognized Doris Tate as one of his "thousand points of light" for her volunteer work on behalf of victims' rights. By this time Tate had been diagnosed with a malignant brain tumor. Her meeting with Bush marked her final public appearance, and she died later the same year.












Clinton: 1993-2001.

There are no direct connections between Bill Clinton and The Family that Patty can locate. But, she will have you consider this: Both Bill Clinton and Charles Manson came from broken homes and were subject to incredibly cruel neglect and outright physical abuse as children. Why did their paths diverge so radically? What made the difference?







Bush Part II: 2001-2009.


From THE BUG’s Wikipedia entry: “Bugliosi condemned the U.S. Supreme Court's decision in the Bush v. Gore decision that decided the 2000 presidential election. He wrote a lengthy criticism of the case for The Nation titled "None Dare Call It Treason," which he later expanded into a book titled The Betrayal of America.
He also believes that George W. Bush should be charged with the murders of more than 4,000 American soldiers as well as more than 100,000 Iraqis who have died in Iraq since the American-led invasion of that country, because of his belief that Bush launched the invasion under false pretenses. In his book, The Prosecution of George W. Bush for Murder, he laid out that evidence and outlined what questions he would ask Bush at a potential murder trial. Bugliosi testified at a House Judiciary Committee meeting on 25 July 2008, at which he urged impeachment proceedings for Bush.”



Obama: 2009-Present.

Earlier this year a Michele Bachmann for president supporter called in to an Iowa radio show and had this to offer: “I’m telling you, the guy is a walking nightmare,” the man said of President Barack Obama. “I would vote for Charles Manson before this guy.”
Bachmann supporters were not the first to make this comparison. This link shows similar tactics by a dude at a 2008 Palin/Coleman rally:

CLICK HERE.

Obama detractors like to speak of The Cult of Obama (see americanthinker.com):
“If Obamamania is a cult, then Obama is the cult leader. Cult leaders routinely pull the strings of their followers. The most extreme example is Charles Manson. He rots in prison for murders he never committed. He didn't have to do the dirty work. His brainwashed charges did his bidding.”
Poor Barack! Patty would never want his job. Even Charlie does not think much of him! In the recent Spanish Vanity fair article, Charlie calls President Obama “"a slave of Wall Street” who “doesn't realize what they are doing. They are playing with him."

Helter Skelter, Baby. Have a Great President’s Weekend, will ya?

WTF Wednesday: Roman Zolanski

From http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1679156/nicki-minaj-roman-zolanski-grammys.jhtml:

Nicki Minaj's Alter Ego Roman Zolanski Makes Grammy Debut
Minaj welcomed her favorite alter ego onstage for her eye-popping performance of "Roman Holiday."
By Jocelyn Vena (@jocelyn1212)

Nicki Minaj's wacky alter ego Roman Zolanski made his Grammy debut Sunday night as the MC welcomed him to the stage during her eye-popping performance of "Roman Holiday."

The Brooklyn-bred MC kicked off the buzzed-about spectacle belting out the opening lines of Pink Friday: Roman Reloaded track in a confession booth. After she confesses her sins, a short filmed dubbed "The Exorcism of Roman" played, and when she returned to the stage, she was strapped to a board, surrounded by religious icons, priests, monks and the like.

The theatrical performance was punctuated by the track's thumping beat and soaring rap/sung portions by the always fierce Minaj. As the song began to wrap up, a priest stepped onto the stage and performed an exorcism on the pop star, who had broken free of her shackles during the song. Minaj was elevated off the stage through the power of prayer as the frenetic track closed out.



While Minaj's dedicated Barbs know all about her alter ego, not all Grammy viewers might be familiar with Roman, the subject of her upcoming album release. In the sea of Minaj personas, Roman stands out as the most zany. In fact, he was born from Minaj's own anger, as the myth goes. Roman's appearance on Minaj's tracks is hardly new. He once shared a track with Eminem's own alternate persona, Slim Shady, on the Pink Friday song "Roman's Revenge."

As for why Minaj decided to play up religion during her performance, she once shared that aspects of the album (due out in April) will focus on the rehabilitation of Roman.

Barker Grave Sites?

 Above photo shows the sites

Remember the AP article from 2008?  The reporter spoke with retired Inyo County Sheriff's Detective John Little who said that in 1974 Assistant Sheriff Jack Gardiner told him to go up to the Barker Ranch and look for four grave sites within 100 to 150 yards of the ranch house.

Also remember that after Dianne Lake spent 6 months in Patton State Hospital, she came to Big Pine, California to live with Jack Gardiner and his wife as a foster child.  She credits Jack and his wife with deprogramming her and saving her life.

Dianne has never spoken of any knowledge of graves.  But how else would Jack Gardiner know?  Is it possible that Diane has blocked out a lot of her former life just to be able to cope? Some believe that that is a strong possibility.

You may recall that Vern Plumlee and Ed Bailey hooked up with Steve Zabriski at the end of October 1969 up in Portland, Oregon.  They told Zabriski that "Charlie and Clem" were responsible for killing Sharon Tate.  Bailey also said that he had personally seen Charlie shoot a guy in the head with a .45 in a gully behind the Barker Ranch.  Zabriski made a report to Portland PD on November 2nd, 1969.

Virginia Graham and Ronnie Howard were not interviewed about the Susan Atkins confession until November 17th, 1969.  So if Plumlee and Bailey were telling the truth about Manson's connection to the Tate murders over two weeks before Law Enforcement first knew about it, then they must be telling the truth about the murder in the gully behind the Barker Ranch.